Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse
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Lil'RedGTO said:
Actually, I make a principled point of speeding on motorways even when I'm not in a hurry (provided conditions allow), as I think it's important to create a culture of desrespect for the current woefully low 70mph limit, in the hope that it will be increased to at least 80mph.
I can't remember where I saw the figures, but recently the percentage of drivers exceeding the motorway limit dropped to just below 50%. If the limit is to be increased to 80mph, as I would like, it will help the case for doing so if a majority of drivers do not respect the current limit. I therefore try to do my bit wherever I can.
I can't remember where I saw the figures, but recently the percentage of drivers exceeding the motorway limit dropped to just below 50%. If the limit is to be increased to 80mph, as I would like, it will help the case for doing so if a majority of drivers do not respect the current limit. I therefore try to do my bit wherever I can.
This is written in jest, I hope? Very funny.
Pan Pan said:
If the authorities continue to set inappropriately low limits for a section of road, people may start to ignore speed limits completely.
True, and some, if not all, authorities know that. Our Parish Council and local residents petitioned West Berkshire for a 30 mph limit along one of the NSL lanes that is used as a rat run by commuters; it's a lane that is mostly one and a half cars wide past most of the houses.At one of the meetings with villagers, councillors, highways, etc. I was interested to hear one of the highway engineers state "it often doesn't matter what limit we set; most drivers drive at the speed they deem safe or appropriate for each road"
Still, they did drop that lane to be a 30 limit, which is nice!
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Lil'RedGTO said:
Actually, I make a principled point of speeding on motorways even when I'm not in a hurry (provided conditions allow), as I think it's important to create a culture of desrespect for the current woefully low 70mph limit, in the hope that it will be increased to at least 80mph.
I can't remember where I saw the figures, but recently the percentage of drivers exceeding the motorway limit dropped to just below 50%. If the limit is to be increased to 80mph, as I would like, it will help the case for doing so if a majority of drivers do not respect the current limit. I therefore try to do my bit wherever I can.
I can't remember where I saw the figures, but recently the percentage of drivers exceeding the motorway limit dropped to just below 50%. If the limit is to be increased to 80mph, as I would like, it will help the case for doing so if a majority of drivers do not respect the current limit. I therefore try to do my bit wherever I can.
This is written in jest, I hope? Very funny.
Steve_W said:
Pan Pan said:
If the authorities continue to set inappropriately low limits for a section of road, people may start to ignore speed limits completely.
True, and some, if not all, authorities know that. Our Parish Council and local residents petitioned West Berkshire for a 30 mph limit along one of the NSL lanes that is used as a rat run by commuters; it's a lane that is mostly one and a half cars wide past most of the houses.At one of the meetings with villagers, councillors, highways, etc. I was interested to hear one of the highway engineers state "it often doesn't matter what limit we set; most drivers drive at the speed they deem safe or appropriate for each road"
Still, they did drop that lane to be a 30 limit, which is nice!
e.g. they set a low limit, knowing that many will exceed them, but the over arching effect is to `suppress' the overall speeds downwards.
In Germany they do it differently in that speeds limits are set strictly in accordance with set, sound criteria, and are for the most part, strictly adhered to, rather than the ad hoc, knee jerk method which often seems to be the case here.
Pan Pan said:
This often comes back to the mindless morons who think because they are slow drivers, they are also safe drivers when experience shows they are often the most myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, and least aware of other road users around them, of all road user types
So you want those myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, unaware drivers to drive faster?Lil'RedGTO said:
anonymous said:
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Thanks, I will.
k that you're travelling a bit faster on the motorway?Even the plod wouldn't be arsed to stop you.
Making a 'prinicipled point' when nobody gives two s
ts about it seems a bit sad to me.Like many people have said they are, I'm interested to see Google Street View images of these roads. If you want to know why the speed limits have been reduced, ask the local authority. It could be because of high accident rates, resident complaints or one particular accident which has seen a campaign. A teenager was knocked down and killed on East Lancs Road and the limit was dropped from 70mph to 50mph as a result. The locals got David Hasselhoff to front a campaign to have the limit dropped to 30mph. Steps as well, even though one of their members recently tried to run a PHer off the road.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
If a speed limit is frequently flouted by a large number of people by a significant margin it's more likely there will be increased enforcement of it rather than an increase in the limit. If you want a limit changing, rather than being a rebel about it you need to contact the local authority about it and get backing from other people. Then the reasons the speed limit is what it is can be looked at along with the pros and cons of increasing it.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
If a speed limit is frequently flouted by a large number of people by a significant margin it's more likely there will be increased enforcement of it rather than an increase in the limit. If you want a limit changing, rather than being a rebel about it you need to contact the local authority about it and get backing from other people. Then the reasons the speed limit is what it is can be looked at along with the pros and cons of increasing it.
Too many of our roads are getting unreasonably low limits posted on them. I was travelling home tonight on a 3 and in places 2 lane DC. Used to be NSL years ago. Now 50 and 40. Not one car was doing it and I really mean not one. Surely the clue that the limit has been lowered too far for the road is when nobody does it. Quite ridiculous.
Lil'RedGTO said:
pork911 said:
Regardless, let's not pretend anyone's speeding is some sort of principled civil disobedience.
Actually, I make a principled point of speeding on motorways even when I'm not in a hurry (provided conditions allow), as I think it's important to create a culture of desrespect for the current woefully low 70mph limit, in the hope that it will be increased to at least 80mph. I can't remember where I saw the figures, but recently the percentage of drivers exceeding the motorway limit dropped to just below 50%. If the limit is to be increased to 80mph, as I would like, it will help the case for doing so if a majority of drivers do not respect the current limit. I therefore try to do my bit wherever I can.
Pan Pan said:
rather than the ad hoc, knee jerk method which often seems to be the case here.
Those knee jerk reactions are often the consequence of a number of drivers choosing to ignore particular speed limits. It's essentially self-inflicted. Behave like a moron you'll be treated like a moron.nickfrog said:
Pan Pan said:
rather than the ad hoc, knee jerk method which often seems to be the case here.
Those knee jerk reactions are often the consequence of a number of drivers choosing to ignore particular speed limits. It's essentially self-inflicted. Behave like a moron you'll be treated like a moron.anonymous said:
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At one time you never saw 20mph limits on roads that weren't private, where they were unenforceable anyway. The road safety group Living Streets has taken credit for the 30mph limit being introduced in urban areas. Now we've got people wanting them all to be 20mph because that's the recommended speed at which to run children over. https://twitter.com/20splentyforus
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could see 20mph limits everywhere and then the campaign will be for lower limits still or just further bans on cars altogether.
Blakewater said:
At one time you never saw 20mph limits on roads that weren't private, where they were unenforceable anyway. The road safety group Living Streets has taken credit for the 30mph limit being introduced in urban areas. Now we've got people wanting them all to be 20mph because that's the recommended speed at which to run children over.
https://twitter.com/20splentyforus
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could see 20mph limits everywhere and then the campaign will be for lower limits still or just further bans on cars altogether.
It'll happen soon,"Do ten and don't kill Ben".https://twitter.com/20splentyforus
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could see 20mph limits everywhere and then the campaign will be for lower limits still or just further bans on cars altogether.
nickfrog said:
Pan Pan said:
rather than the ad hoc, knee jerk method which often seems to be the case here.
Those knee jerk reactions are often the consequence of a number of drivers choosing to ignore particular speed limits. It's essentially self-inflicted. Behave like a moron you'll be treated like a moron.1) Gross inattention. In this case, even if you drop the limit to zero, the effect will be nullified
2) Deliberate non-compliance. Often as a result of frustration and breaking the speed limit becoming "normal". The more and more we use stupidly low limits, the more and more people break those limits and the more and more normal it becomes to do so. Suddenly, you have undermined the entire system and rational for having speed limits in the first place
I bet you £100, if you went to a local residents meeting about "speed limits" and then followed some of the people who went to "complain" about people driving too fast, that most of them would speed at some point on their car journey home.........
Mave said:
So you want those myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, unaware drivers to drive faster?
What makes you think that slowing them down will make them any less likely to crash?They should either improve their driving or get off the roads.
Simply slowing them down in a vain attempt to lessen the damage when they do crash is a fool's errand.
nickfrog said:
Those knee jerk reactions are often the consequence of a number of drivers choosing to ignore particular speed limits. It's essentially self-inflicted. Behave like a moron you'll be treated like a moron.
Nonsense. We are experiencing wholesale ratcheting of speed limits, regardless of people's behaviour.If you set a limit to below the speed most people would choose to drive at then you should expect many to ignore it.
yonex said:
Oh and let's state facts. Everyone who speeds IS breaking the Road Traffic Act, there is no 'fudge factor' it is pretty straight forward. This blase attitude to the roads is the primary cause of the tension between road users.
It's probably mostly people with attitudes like yours who have made it so - it's a pity that the rest of us just have to put up with it.Edited by Phatboy317 on Saturday 27th September 14:05
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