Regularly Travelling At 60 In A 30. No Remorse
Discussion
Blakewater said:
Now we've got people wanting them all to be 20mph because that's the recommended speed at which to run children over.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.I can just picture someone asking which child they should be running over so they can ensure that they're doing exactly 20 when they do so.
Blakewater said:
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could see 20mph limits everywhere and then the campaign will be for lower limits still or just further bans on cars altogether.
I believe that is the ultimate aim.Phatboy317 said:
nickfrog said:
Those knee jerk reactions are often the consequence of a number of drivers choosing to ignore particular speed limits. It's essentially self-inflicted. Behave like a moron you'll be treated like a moron.
Nonsense. We are experiencing wholesale ratcheting of speed limits, regardless of people's behaviour.If you set a limit to below the speed most people would choose to drive at then you should expect many to ignore it.
It's probably mostly people with attitudes like yours who are making the situation worse - it's a pity that the rest of us just have to put up with it.
nickfrog said:
I think you're judging other people by your own standards. Clearly self-inflicted, I had no idea I was that right.
It's probably mostly people with attitudes like yours who are making the situation worse - it's a pity that the rest of us just have to put up with it.
As I don't believe in treating people like morons, even if they act like morons, I'm afraid I don't have a reply for you.It's probably mostly people with attitudes like yours who are making the situation worse - it's a pity that the rest of us just have to put up with it.
sabre said:
<snip>I think some new speed limits appear too low, but we dont know the full history of the road and why its been reduced.<snip>
i think that's quite a good point. When Speed cameras first came in around our neck of the woods people who didn't know the area were asking/complaining about why they had been located there. Locals knew that those places were accident blackspots / scenes of numerous near-misses. For example one was the entrance to a popular park with parked cars on both sides of the main road, one was a blind bend followed by road narrowing / parked cars on both sides, and so on.Having said that, there have been some roads near us that have gone from 50mph to 30mph and quite a lot that have gone from 30mph to 20mph. It's extremely frustrating. However that's the law and I think FI or FO applies.
Blakewater said:
Ye gods, that's a scary place.Oodles of people, probably mostly from London where they have alternatives to driving, all bleating about how 20mph seems to be essential for children to cycle or walk to school. WTF?
I used to walk on my own to Primary School first along a busy main road then through the village and do you know what, I'm not dead, nor did any of my friends jump into the path of a car and get mown down. That's because my parents (any my friends parents) saw it as their responsibility to teach us the green cross code, not to let me do what I wanted and make everyone else watch out for me instead.
Now I have children, and they walked to Primary School on their own and now walk to Secondary on their own (or wherever else they want to go), because we taught them to be sensible. I do not expect everyone else to slow down because my little darlings have no idea that roads are where cars go nor that cars are big, fast and will hurt.
Phatboy317 said:
What makes you think that slowing them down will make them any less likely to crash?
1) because for a given level of attention, you're less likely to crash the slower you're going2) because other people will have more time to react
3) in the event of a crash, the damage will be less
Funkycoldribena said:
nickfrog said:
Complying with simple legal requirements is really not that difficult.
As I asked before-will you still comply when it's 15,10,5 ?Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 27th September 17:33
Mave said:
Pan Pan said:
This often comes back to the mindless morons who think because they are slow drivers, they are also safe drivers when experience shows they are often the most myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, and least aware of other road users around them, of all road user types
So you want those myopic, incompetent, unpredictable, unaware drivers to drive faster?Operating a motorized vehicle of any kind, demands a certain standard of aptitude, intelligence, and competence to be able to do it safely, and in accord with what most other vehicle operators would be expected to do. If people don't have that, they must consider whether they should be operating a vehicle on public roads at all.
It is those who either want to travel `significantly' faster or slower than the 85th percentile who cause problems for the majority of other road users.
This comes down to the old PC attitude, that if little johnny wants to be a driver/fighter pilot/brain surgeon/pop star etc, then he can be `because it is his right' This completely ignores the fact that little johnny may have the brains of a cockle, and be congenitally unsuited to the activity that `little johnny feels he should be able to do.
The hall mark of the PC brigade is an inability to recognize, and face up to (the sometimes unpleasant) truth.
Phatboy317 said:
Blakewater said:
Now we've got people wanting them all to be 20mph because that's the recommended speed at which to run children over.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.I can just picture someone asking which child they should be running over so they can ensure that they're doing exactly 20 when they do so.
Blakewater said:
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could see 20mph limits everywhere and then the campaign will be for lower limits still or just further bans on cars altogether.
I believe that is the ultimate aim.Their underlying aim seems to be to stop people using cars completely, by removing the main point of using a car, namely of getting from one place to another on the earths surface, faster more comfortably and conveniently, than is possible by other means.
Pan Pan said:
It is those who either want to travel `significantly' faster or slower than the 85th percentile who cause problems for the majority of other road users.
How does that work? The majority of road users travel at speed below the 85th percentile. And I expect doing 60 in a 30 limit is significantly faster than the 85th.Pan Pan said:
This comes down to the old PC attitude, that if little johnny wants to be a driver/fighter pilot/brain surgeon/pop star etc, then he can be `because it is his right.
No, this comes down to roads being intended for the majority of road users, not restricted to driving enthusiasts who feel they have superior road skills and a right to travel at a speed that uses them,Phatboy317 said:
yonex said:
Oh and let's state facts. Everyone who speeds IS breaking the Road Traffic Act, there is no 'fudge factor' it is pretty straight forward. This blase attitude to the roads is the primary cause of the tension between road users.
It's probably mostly people with attitudes like yours who have made it so - it's a pity that the rest of us just have to put up with it.Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 27th September 14:05
It's a pity that there are so many drivers out there who think that they can drive/ride as they see fit. I expect they'll be the first to whinge if they get pulled? Are you the angry guy behind me, foaming at the mouth and constantly edging your car out to see if you can make up just one more spot in the race home? Back OT we are talking about 60 in a 30 which is a dumb thing to do.
Mave said:
Pan Pan said:
It is those who either want to travel `significantly' faster or slower than the 85th percentile who cause problems for the majority of other road users.
How does that work? The majority of road users travel at speed below the 85th percentile. And I expect doing 60 in a 30 limit is significantly faster than the 85th.Not sure where you do your most of your driving, is it Bognor Regis?
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