RE: All-new Mercedes-AMG C63 - official!

[SteelySteve]

Bad enough the old C63 AMG was a 6.2

the new C63 AMG being a 4.0 is insulting their customers intelligence

horrible compromised styling

I'll take a good, honest, well styled BMW M3 thanks

[Crafty_]

lamboman100 said:

The next-gen Golf R400 will be faster to 62mph and almost half the price.

No chance, thats gonna be a £40k car, if they ever make it.

[lamboman100]

Crafty_ said:

lamboman100 said:

The next-gen Golf R400 will be faster to 62mph and almost half the price.

No chance, thats gonna be a £40k car, if they ever make it.

It is likely 3.6 to 3.9 seconds to 62mph for the R400 (versus 4.0 / 4.1 seconds for the C63 AMG).

And some UK / Germany dealers are starting to take deposits for the R400 for a Q1 2015 launch.

Price for R400 is rumoured around £40 - 45k (new Merc is prolly in the £60 - 80k range).

[kambites]

SteelySteve said:

I'll take a good, honest, well styled BMW M3 thanks

You mean an E46?

[philmots]

Awesome.

I'll have a 'S' Estate in a dark grey.

[E65Ross]

Wills2 said:

E65Ross said:

Not sure whether BMW have under-powered the M3/4 a little. I use under-powered in the loosest possible term. It's more than quick enough, but in respect to its competition.

Same 0-62 times of 4.1 PTWR 263 vs. 277 for the Benz so pretty similar (standard version), but I'd have thought 450 would have been a good output for the M3 giving it just 6hp over the e92 seems mean, even when factoring in the weight loss.

I wonder were they will price it?

A reasonable amount more PTW for the Merc. The fact it's only a few bhp more doesn't mean a huge amount, when the shape of the torque curve means it's producing a fair chunk more power more of the time. When really booting it, it's practically producing peak power all of the time in the new car.

I think BMW really need to sort the noise issue out. AMG seem to do just fine with their turbocharged engines. But, BMW seem to have done a very good job on the chassis of the new M3/4.

[Schermerhorn]

Loving the 2003 BMW M3 CSL wheels.

Very original(!)

[Crafty_]

lamboman100 said:

It is likely 3.6 to 3.9 seconds to 62mph for the R400 (versus 4.0 / 4.1 seconds for the C63 AMG).

And some UK / Germany dealers are starting to take deposits for the R400 for a Q1 2015 launch.

Price for R400 is rumoured around £40 - 45k (new Merc is prolly in the £60 - 80k range).

M3 is £56-58k, no way will the new C63 be £80k, it will be somewhere around £60k I reckon.

Golf @ £40-45k is not half the price. Its rival is the A45, not this car.

[SteelySteve]

Saw a new M3 on the road today, looked great and very nicely proportioned, these latest generation Mercs remind me of a gen 2 Ford Scorpio, really awful looking blobs

[EricE]

Wills2 said:

E65Ross said:

Not sure whether BMW have under-powered the M3/4 a little. I use under-powered in the loosest possible term. It's more than quick enough, but in respect to its competition.

Same 0-62 times of 4.1 PTWR 263 vs. 277 for the Benz so pretty similar (standard version), but I'd have thought 450 would have been a good output for the M3 giving it just 6hp over the e92 seems mean, even when factoring in the weight loss.

I wonder were they will price it?

To be fair all the M3/M4s put out a fair bit more power than BMWs marketing claims. Even the conservative Sport Auto measured 467hp/577Nm and all other dyno measurements I've seen on bmw owner forums are well above 460 hp. Of course AMG might play the same game, time will tell. As someone living in a country with rather draconian taxes based on engine output, I welcome this trend.

[Atmospheric]

German marques underrate their cars.

2013 B8 S4 is approaching 380hp as standard
F30 M3 460 - 470bhp
2013 Audi S8 making 590bhp
2014 W212 E63 PP 4matic making 636bhp
F10 M5 making 600bhp

These are rated by magazines. The excellent Motor Trend youtube channel has a few of them being dynoed.

They have been doing it for years, Alpina were especially guilty off this with the E60 B5 which made way over 550bhp, but marked up as 500bhp, when the V10 M5 was 501 (internal politics, I would have thought)

This is partly why suggesting FWD hatches are catching up - the 4.0 turbo V8s from such cars are producing much more power than written.

Edited by Atmospheric on Tuesday 23 September 23:23

[andrew.delamare]

EricE said:

Very impressive except for the transmission, the M3 has its work cut out for it if you ask me.

mikebradford said:

They should start selling this with their 4 wheel drive system, as BMW have demonstrated theirs a big market that Audi previously dominated.

4-matic version will follow next year according to an interview with the AMG boss.

So, for me in S for in the estate version in black with 4-matic would be the do anything one car for me! what an awesome bit of kit!

[Hitch78]

First AMG where the saloon, despite looking terrible, looks better than the estate? Shame that Merc have followed the crowd away from a proper estate shape as for me that made them the best choice dog-botherer out there.

I was looking at nearly new C63 estates yesterday and the balance of class and menace is just about perfect on those.

[Gandahar]

The old C63 looks better, the new one looks too much like A class at the front.

Shame they went away from the 4 round tailpipes also, they looked expensive, these look like something people put on a Vauxhall Vectra to make it look like the sporty model.

The wheels on the blue estate are nice though.

[AB]

Estate looks so much better than saloon.

[kbf1981]

lamboman100 said:

Crafty_ said:

lamboman100 said:

The next-gen Golf R400 will be faster to 62mph and almost half the price.

No chance, thats gonna be a £40k car, if they ever make it.

It is likely 3.6 to 3.9 seconds to 62mph for the R400 (versus 4.0 / 4.1 seconds for the C63 AMG).

And some UK / Germany dealers are starting to take deposits for the R400 for a Q1 2015 launch.

Price for R400 is rumoured around £40 - 45k (new Merc is prolly in the £60 - 80k range).

Before options... so a £50k golf, and a £70k C63. M3 is also around £60k after options so a little cheaper than the C I recon.

Golf will compare to an A45 which is 4s to 60 when you look at customer cars.

[kbf1981]

H100S said:

I like the new C range however I expected more from the styling of the AMG version. The previous generation had a better mix of argression while still managing to be very classy too. I also think the estate is the best looking of the two.

The C63 in those pics hardly looks any different to a standard C AMG pack. For those buying it, that's gotta be a downer?

[gumsie]

Gandahar said:

The old C63 looks better, the new one looks too much like A class at the front.

Shame they went away from the 4 round tailpipes also, they looked expensive, these look like something people put on a Vauxhall Vectra to make it look like the sporty model.

The wheels on the blue estate are nice though.

Like TSW Hockenheims?

[J-P]

kbf1981 said:

H100S said:

I like the new C range however I expected more from the styling of the AMG version. The previous generation had a better mix of argression while still managing to be very classy too. I also think the estate is the best looking of the two.

The C63 in those pics hardly looks any different to a standard C AMG pack. For those buying it, that's gotta be a downer?

Not really - I like the subtle look. Ultimate q car.

[xRIEx]

SteelySteve said:

Bad enough the old C63 AMG was a 6.2

the new C63 AMG being a 4.0 is insulting their customers intelligence

So does that also apply to the last generation C180, C180CDI, C200, C230, C280, C200CDI, C250CDI, C320CDI and C350CDI?