Fooking diesel engine faliures !

[mclwanB]

dme123 said:

24p a mile will cover your fuel but what about the rest of the wear and tear costs? I suspect it's all but impossible to break even at 24p a mile in any car, over the long run.

This unfortunately!

[V8RX7]

[quote=Nigel a second hand engine, all fitted and fettled is going to cost me the thick end of £2K, a reconditioned one the thick end of £4K.

I'll be going back to petrol

probably a car

as petrol vans seem very rare.
[/quote]

Obvious answer is to fit a petrol engine to your van.

Any backstreet mechanic could do that for less than £2k

[Fastdruid]

dme123 said:

24p a mile will cover your fuel but what about the rest of the wear and tear costs? I suspect it's all but impossible to break even at 24p a mile in any car, over the long run.

About 16p per mile goes to fuel, 8p per mile for wear and tear.

[Fastdruid]

mclwanB said:

dme123 said:

24p a mile will cover your fuel but what about the rest of the wear and tear costs? I suspect it's all but impossible to break even at 24p a mile in any car, over the long run.

This unfortunately!

Now I don't do 40k a year but if I did then at 24p per mile that averages out to £872 per 10k to spend on "wear and tear" which could buy a set of four tires, a service, a set of brakes and a decent chunk left over every 10k. Obviously if I don't need brakes or tires it could go towards something else. That is btw including the tax relief.

[Willy Nilly]

Fastdruid said:

mclwanB said:

dme123 said:

24p a mile will cover your fuel but what about the rest of the wear and tear costs? I suspect it's all but impossible to break even at 24p a mile in any car, over the long run.

This unfortunately!

Now I don't do 40k a year but if I did then at 24p per mile that averages out to £872 per 10k to spend on "wear and tear" which could buy a set of four tires, a service, a set of brakes and a decent chunk left over every 10k. Obviously if I don't need brakes or tires it could go towards something else. That is btw including the tax relief.

At some point the car will need replacing, 24 p per mile won't replace it.

[Fastdruid]

Willy Nilly said:

Fastdruid said:

mclwanB said:

dme123 said:

24p a mile will cover your fuel but what about the rest of the wear and tear costs? I suspect it's all but impossible to break even at 24p a mile in any car, over the long run.

This unfortunately!

Now I don't do 40k a year but if I did then at 24p per mile that averages out to £872 per 10k to spend on "wear and tear" which could buy a set of four tires, a service, a set of brakes and a decent chunk left over every 10k. Obviously if I don't need brakes or tires it could go towards something else. That is btw including the tax relief.

At some point the car will need replacing, 24 p per mile won't replace it.

Er, that's on top of the car allowance which pays for the car, insurance, VED and saving up for the next car.

HMRC company car mileage rates for my own car? Feck off!

Edited by Fastdruid on Thursday 2nd October 22:56

[mclwanB]

Fastdruid said:

Er, that's on top of the car allowance which pays for the car, insurance, VED and saving up for the next car.

HMRC company car mileage rates for my own car? Feck off!

Edited by Fastdruid on Thursday 2nd October 22:56

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Last financial year- car cost me 12900 including everything (incl depreciation)

Paid 9000 incl car allowance (after tax taken off for allowance).

This is a 5 year old high mileage skoda so depreciation won't pay for a decent replacement- probably a 4-5k 100k mile Mondeo

Do not want to spend 3.2k more on fuel (a petrol would struggle to do 30mpg in my use; although if as much went wrong every year as that year it would be close!)

[mclwanB]

mclwanB said:

Honda Crv mk2 i had before that had no diesel related issues in 122k

2004 Focus 1.8 tdi before that apparently cost work 9k to keep on the road for 2 years /60k miles (new turbo at 17k, 4 alternators, fuel pump, injectors... forget the rest

Petrol car i own is 21 years old, owned for last 9 of those and up to today nothing other than wear and tear. It is a toyota though!

To summarise modern diesels (of which I'll be needing another of soon) though:-

Vag group- 1.9 bulletproof... unless it's a bxe. 2.0 cr problematic with water pumps etc. 1.6s too new to know of issues? Some dpf issues

Bmw 2.0 diesels chain snaps,can't economically check it's condition. Tend to coke up. 6 cyl diesels have swirl flaps which if not removed can cause ingestion and total engine destruction. Chain can snap but rarely. Dpfs average failure but expensive. Not really in budget

Psa diesels (& .'. Ford, JLR),- 1.6 problematic but 2.0 ok. 2.2 rare but injector problems reported. Ex bosses 2.2 Freelander borked at 98k but never did find out why, he was delighted as it was still in warranty! Dpfs average but reasonable to replace

GM and Fiat group- general advice seems to be stay away as they're often problematic! Insignia estate has a rubbish boot anyway

Mercedes- out of budget for me but generally reasonable if expensive to fix? Also really don't want an auto

Mazda- Dont even go there

Honda-2.2 rare turbos, clutches wear fairly rapidly. Just make one in a full sized estate. 1.6s too recent

Renault- not good experience with previously, rest of the cars generally more of an issue than the engine (previous incendiary problems fixed? )

Subaru- boxer diesel chocolate camshaft apparently fixed in post 2010 models but so rare that if it goes bang no second hand engines around. Friend just scrapped an 09/110k for this reason

Volvo- might be worth looking at a 5 cylinder d3 or d5?

So that'll be a Ford Mondeo 2.0 tdci or a Honda CRV 2.2 then?

Forgot Toyota and their pretty shocking head gasket failures (unofficial 7y/100k warranty no good for me)!

As for electric cars being more reliable- ha de ha, don't think battery technology has that longevity yet despite the latest ford hybrids warranty.

[Devil2575]

My wife has run a Mazda 6 diesel for 5 years without any of nightmare problems referred to.

[mclwanB]

mclwanB said:

Mercedes- out of budget for me but generally reasonable if expensive to fix? Also really don't want an auto

Or maybe not

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/engine/77050-blue-e...

[Fittster]

mclwanB said:

Fittster said:

mclwanB said:

Sorry to rain on your parade but try googling bxe and vag engine failures (there's a number of threads on here but Android is being an arse about linking today. Sort story- 1.9 vag tdi with engine code -> regularly puts piston through block at 60-90k miles, vag no interest. .

How regularly, got any really stats? Considering the number VAG must have built there should be thousands going each week.

Obviously a minority even with this engine code- although personally i only know of one that hasn't gone (yet) and 4 that have (mine, 1 ex work colleague and two colleagues in other practices) & c 20 others destructing on forums etc). Vag shows no interest and as doesn't want to know i doubt there are any stats. A few have been reported to ?vosa but hardly any body does.

Your anecdotal evidence shows a failure rate of 80%. The only people likely to have any useful stats are going to be VW and they sure as hell won't be telling.

But an 80% failure rate is surely going to be 10,000 thousands of 1.9tdi engines going pop. If that were happening I'd expect the engine to be as famous as the TVR S6 or Mazda R8.

[renorti]

currently the worse diesel out there has to be the peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi engine.
ask any garage ,even the dealer does not give a warranty on a new turbo from them.
often they punch a hole in the block too.
loads on ebay for spares or repairs.

[littlebasher]

renorti said:

currently the worse diesel out there has to be the peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi engine.
ask any garage ,even the dealer does not give a warranty on a new turbo from them.
often they punch a hole in the block too.
loads on ebay for spares or repairs.

Only the earlier 16V units IIRC, I thought they'd solved that on the later 8V engines (2010 -)

[Devil2575]

Fittster said:

Your anecdotal evidence shows a failure rate of 80%. The only people likely to have any useful stats are going to be VW and they sure as hell won't be telling.

But an 80% failure rate is surely going to be 10,000 thousands of 1.9tdi engines going pop. If that were happening I'd expect the engine to be as famous as the TVR S6 or Mazda R8.

Gives you a good idea as to the usefulness of anecdotes.

[daemon]

Devil2575 said:

Fittster said:

Your anecdotal evidence shows a failure rate of 80%. The only people likely to have any useful stats are going to be VW and they sure as hell won't be telling.

But an 80% failure rate is surely going to be 10,000 thousands of 1.9tdi engines going pop. If that were happening I'd expect the engine to be as famous as the TVR S6 or Mazda R8.

Gives you a good idea as to the usefulness of anecdotes.

Yes. becomes down to peoples subjective viewpoint - "my car has given trouble, 3 friends cars have given trouble, therefore all diesels give trouble" or "my car has been problem free, so all diesels are trouble free"

[mclwanB]

Fittster said:

mclwanB said:

Fittster said:

mclwanB said:

Sorry to rain on your parade but try googling bxe and vag engine failures (there's a number of threads on here but Android is being an arse about linking today. Sort story- 1.9 vag tdi with engine code -> regularly puts piston through block at 60-90k miles, vag no interest. .

How regularly, got any really stats? Considering the number VAG must have built there should be thousands going each week.

Obviously a minority even with this engine code- although personally i only know of one that hasn't gone (yet) and 4 that have (mine, 1 ex work colleague and two colleagues in other practices) & c 20 others destructing on forums etc). Vag shows no interest and as doesn't want to know i doubt there are any stats. A few have been reported to ?vosa but hardly any body does.

Your anecdotal evidence shows a failure rate of 80%. The only people likely to have any useful stats are going to be VW and they sure as hell won't be telling.

But an 80% failure rate is surely going to be 10,000 thousands of 1.9tdi engines going pop. If that were happening I'd expect the engine to be as famous as the TVR S6 or Mazda R8.

As I said, it is a minority even if personally more have gone than haven't. As a scientist I understand the requirements for sample size although the numbers are simply not available. Vag group disinterest in a known fault- unfortunately like the majority of other manufacturers- is what annoys me. If it is only 0.05% of engines made 1 year that are affected telling those customers to basically p!*ss off is not acceptable imo. An investigation and appropriate recall should have been made.

Thought of another one that hasn't (yet please god!)- 2nd engine in mine. This engine has done 90k, have been told that the bxe issue had been fixed for later engines. Really hoping it has. Although one thing that might explain the failure rate among people i know is the number of miles on country roads people in my profession do.

Internet research is always skewed in terms of failures as people rarely report when things go well.

Looking on Autotrader if you put in "petrol, estate, manual, 2.0-2.5, up to 6yrs old and up to 6k" you get 91 hits for the UK! 2 2008 Mazda 6 petrols, going to have a look on fuelly as to how close to 39.2mpg they actually get (probably not going to break 30mpg in my use). Anyone have experience of them?

Sorry to go off topic but finding some of this useful!

[siovey]

I've just bought an old golf 1.9 tdi130 with 135k on the clock. I only need to keep it for 6-12 months and 10k miles. I was looking at this or the 2.0 petrol with half the mileage for the same money. Hopefully i've made the right choice reliabilty wise!!!

[Patrick Bateman]

Nigel Worc's said:

Yes, you have to be careful.

I chose the 2.8 litre straight six, single vanos, the 2.5 & 3.0 litre double vanos (these were E39 era) did have somewhat of a reputation for repair bills.

I had the ecu fail on my 528i, leaving number one injector fully open, exactly the same fault as has just happened on the VW SDI engine (different cause, the BMW faliure was electronic, the VW machanical), the big difference being is petrol is a very different liquid and will force itself past valves, piston rings etc, not ruin the dam angine.

A reputation for it? News to me, the M54 has to be one of the best BMW engines going for reliability.

[mclwanB]

daemon said:

Devil2575 said:

Fittster said:

Your anecdotal evidence shows a failure rate of 80%. The only people likely to have any useful stats are going to be VW and they sure as hell won't be telling.

But an 80% failure rate is surely going to be 10,000 thousands of 1.9tdi engines going pop. If that were happening I'd expect the engine to be as famous as the TVR S6 or Mazda R8.

Gives you a good idea as to the usefulness of anecdotes.

Yes. becomes down to peoples subjective viewpoint - "my car has given trouble, 3 friends cars have given trouble, therefore all diesels give trouble" or "my car has been problem free, so all diesels are trouble free"

I agree that anecdote- other than everyone agreeing that they've never had a problem with a vehicle- is of limited use. Just a thought- maybe we could do something about it:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[daemon]

siovey said:

I've just bought an old golf 1.9 tdi130 with 135k on the clock. I only need to keep it for 6-12 months and 10k miles. I was looking at this or the 2.0 petrol with half the mileage for the same money. Hopefully i've made the right choice reliabilty wise!!!

You havent.

More risk of the diesel car failing. Doesnt mean it will, just there is more risk of it.