Fooking diesel engine faliures !
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In 22 years and 500,000 miles with two Mercedes (now changed to third but too new to include here) I've changed two injectors, one camshaft and one valve (luckily the camshaft snapped at tickover), two front springs and an aircon compressor. Apart from that just consumables. Maybe I'm just lucky.
xjay1337 said:
Sorry, but I have to pull you up on this.
How are the 2.0 PD (so BKD being the only one...) engines more prone to waterpump failure than any of the other engine? Almost the entire VAG range of engines from 1998 onwards use in effect the same water pump and all are on the same service intervals... it's more common for them to fail in older cars, more due to age and lack of correct replacement in alignment with manufacturers specs..
Don't know how but 4 separate technicians gave told me they are but can't find any better reference than that. How are the 2.0 PD (so BKD being the only one...) engines more prone to waterpump failure than any of the other engine? Almost the entire VAG range of engines from 1998 onwards use in effect the same water pump and all are on the same service intervals... it's more common for them to fail in older cars, more due to age and lack of correct replacement in alignment with manufacturers specs..
Just noted that my idle has started to get lumpy- resolves with clutch down- probably dmf no 2 in the way out i suspect
. Almost as good news as the fact that i had my arm broken earlier! I have owned Peugeot 406 hdi executive estate,purchased in summer 2008 as a trade in with 158,000 miles,2001 model
just passed 301,000 miles.....cambelts,clutch,oil changes and brakes,and the odd fuel and air filter.and tyres....that's it
engine has never been touched other than for a water pump and a radiator......
the car runs virtually as day one when I acquired her in 2008....never had any issues other than a flat battery
it has and still is totally reliable,so much so I am off to do a trip of 750 miles at Christmas,
I have seen similar models as taxis over 400,000 miles with no issues,so not all diesels are bad...anf not all French cars are bad either,not a bit of rust anywhere,ill leave everyone to decide what my next car might be... yes a French diesel!
just passed 301,000 miles.....cambelts,clutch,oil changes and brakes,and the odd fuel and air filter.and tyres....that's it
engine has never been touched other than for a water pump and a radiator......
the car runs virtually as day one when I acquired her in 2008....never had any issues other than a flat battery
it has and still is totally reliable,so much so I am off to do a trip of 750 miles at Christmas,
I have seen similar models as taxis over 400,000 miles with no issues,so not all diesels are bad...anf not all French cars are bad either,not a bit of rust anywhere,ill leave everyone to decide what my next car might be... yes a French diesel!
motorcars said:
I have owned Peugeot 406 hdi executive estate,purchased in summer 2008 as a trade in with 158,000 miles,2001 model
just passed 301,000 miles.....cambelts,clutch,oil changes and brakes,and the odd fuel and air filter.and tyres....that's it
engine has never been touched other than for a water pump and a radiator......
the car runs virtually as day one when I acquired her in 2008....never had any issues other than a flat battery
it has and still is totally reliable,so much so I am off to do a trip of 750 miles at Christmas,
I have seen similar models as taxis over 400,000 miles with no issues,so not all diesels are bad...anf not all French cars are bad either,not a bit of rust anywhere,ill leave everyone to decide what my next car might be... yes a French diesel!
There would be a consensus on this thread and generally that the 2.0HDI is a very robust engine. A friend of mine had one to 375,000 miles with no issues.just passed 301,000 miles.....cambelts,clutch,oil changes and brakes,and the odd fuel and air filter.and tyres....that's it
engine has never been touched other than for a water pump and a radiator......
the car runs virtually as day one when I acquired her in 2008....never had any issues other than a flat battery
it has and still is totally reliable,so much so I am off to do a trip of 750 miles at Christmas,
I have seen similar models as taxis over 400,000 miles with no issues,so not all diesels are bad...anf not all French cars are bad either,not a bit of rust anywhere,ill leave everyone to decide what my next car might be... yes a French diesel!
The issues with diesels lie from approx 2006 onwards, where manufacturers started to put in DPFs, DMFs, EGR valves etc in the name of emmissions and refinement. Thats where it tends to go badly wrong.
Also, when you are due a change, avoid the 1.6HDI like the plague, its a known horror story.
daemon said:
lbc said:
daemon said:
the 2.0HDI is a very robust engine.
That's not my experience of it.Terrible engine for me. I wish I had gone for the 1.6 many years ago.
What went wrong with your 2.0?
The famous issue with can't get past 2,000 revs without changing gear. No fault codes. etc etc..... £500 bill every time just to look at it.
I had a 2007 1.7cdti Astra sporthatch, purchased at 9 months old/7k miles
Bearing in mind I was 18 when I got it so it wasn't treated too well (revved out most of the time, cornering like a caterham with more under steer than turn etc.)
I ran it from the 7k miles to 95k miles over 3 years, all it required in the whole time was services every 20k, 4 tyres (front x2) and front pads at 60k miles...
Never broke down on me, but....the week before I decided to trade it in it developed a warm-start problem and started running rough, the seat lost its support and smelled like farts (I'm powerfully built), it was looking expensive...
Bearing in mind I was 18 when I got it so it wasn't treated too well (revved out most of the time, cornering like a caterham with more under steer than turn etc.)
I ran it from the 7k miles to 95k miles over 3 years, all it required in the whole time was services every 20k, 4 tyres (front x2) and front pads at 60k miles...
Never broke down on me, but....the week before I decided to trade it in it developed a warm-start problem and started running rough, the seat lost its support and smelled like farts (I'm powerfully built), it was looking expensive...
lbc said:
EGR x2, Turbo x1, then at 165,000 intermittent loss of power, worse when weather was colder. changed the usual MAF, IET sensor. Still runs poor.
The famous issue with can't get past 2,000 revs without changing gear. No fault codes. etc etc..... £500 bill every time just to look at it.
Sadly turbos are pretty much seen as servicable items these days. EGR valves too for that matter.The famous issue with can't get past 2,000 revs without changing gear. No fault codes. etc etc..... £500 bill every time just to look at it.
How long have you owned the 1.6?
Your doing it wrong. If i was in your boat i'd have bought a smashed skida or similar, i see these changing hands for £200 ish, and these are so simple to work on you can swap the engine in an afternoon, if it happened to me today i'd be back on the road for monday morning for no more than £450 including a full service and timing belt. If i didn't want to do the job myself i know at least 3 mechanics that would do it as a saturday homer for £100-£150. Where are you getting the £2k figure from?
If you are going to a ripoff merchant a petrol car would skin you just as much, my petrol vectra snapped its timing belt only 38k after having the belt pump and tensioners done by a vx main dealer, same with a friends corsa, both engines lunched, valve dented the piston on them both. She went to the dealer first, they quoted £3500 to fix it, so me and her boyfriend picked up a low mileage engine from the scrappy for £400, had it serviced and fitted in a saturday finished by dinnertime with a halfords socket set and a borrowed block and tackle lashed to the garage roof. I'm not saying petrols are s
t as a result of that , but diesels and petrols are not worse than each other, just different. My old octavia went back to taxiing, 320k on its original pd engine, my van runs like brand new at 250k only engine parts that failed were an injector and a worn turbo, £75 rebuilld kit and a set of injectors from a low mileage crashed one for £100 and we are laughing.
It did have a leaking sump gasket, so i thought if i'm taking the sump off and i''m keeping this thing a few years i'm as well to spend another £100 and 1.5 hours to change the oil pump and big end shells while i'm down there but the old parts were not badly worn worth it for peace of mind.
If a ham fisted gorilla like me can learn stuff like this surely the powerfully built company directors of ph can learn to do this stuff in their sleep.
If you are going to a ripoff merchant a petrol car would skin you just as much, my petrol vectra snapped its timing belt only 38k after having the belt pump and tensioners done by a vx main dealer, same with a friends corsa, both engines lunched, valve dented the piston on them both. She went to the dealer first, they quoted £3500 to fix it, so me and her boyfriend picked up a low mileage engine from the scrappy for £400, had it serviced and fitted in a saturday finished by dinnertime with a halfords socket set and a borrowed block and tackle lashed to the garage roof. I'm not saying petrols are s
t as a result of that , but diesels and petrols are not worse than each other, just different. My old octavia went back to taxiing, 320k on its original pd engine, my van runs like brand new at 250k only engine parts that failed were an injector and a worn turbo, £75 rebuilld kit and a set of injectors from a low mileage crashed one for £100 and we are laughing. It did have a leaking sump gasket, so i thought if i'm taking the sump off and i''m keeping this thing a few years i'm as well to spend another £100 and 1.5 hours to change the oil pump and big end shells while i'm down there but the old parts were not badly worn worth it for peace of mind.
If a ham fisted gorilla like me can learn stuff like this surely the powerfully built company directors of ph can learn to do this stuff in their sleep.
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Friday 18th December 09:48
Toyota hybrids are the way to go. Loads of old Prius or even old shape Auris hybrids, all for cheapo money and very little to go wrong. Modern diesels are a complete disaster area, ok if you are lucky, money pit if you are not. It's a real dirty harry situation, do you feel lucky.........................................
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