Fooking diesel engine faliures !
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My old 306 D Turbo just would not die, no matter what I did to it.
I got rid after 150k miles and the only cost to me or rather my insurance company was the replacement of passenger side wing, headlight and bonnet after I used a saxo to stop when it pulled out in front of me without indicating on a wet motorway.
I got rid after 150k miles and the only cost to me or rather my insurance company was the replacement of passenger side wing, headlight and bonnet after I used a saxo to stop when it pulled out in front of me without indicating on a wet motorway.
ikarl said:
why not fit it with a small petrol engine? will anything drop in reasonably easy?
I've no idea, I'm not a mechanic, and I can't afford to be without it for very long.A 2.0 litre petrol would be ok, it wouldn't need to be small, although I doubt it would be very easy with all the electronics you need now to make them work.
Not overly sure about insurance either.
Agree petrols can go wrong too and depending on the car can cost a fair bit to fix. But in general with the newer diesels and high pressure injectors etc, the cost to repair is generally higher.
I did have one other diesel after the Yaris (a few cars later) in the form of an Octavia PD130 with remap and a load of other work to put it up to 186bhp. Bought this with 160k on the clock and my ex has it now just about ready to tick over 200k. It has been great and always got around 50mpg even when tanking it.
So when they are working they are pretty good and saving you money.
I did have one other diesel after the Yaris (a few cars later) in the form of an Octavia PD130 with remap and a load of other work to put it up to 186bhp. Bought this with 160k on the clock and my ex has it now just about ready to tick over 200k. It has been great and always got around 50mpg even when tanking it.
So when they are working they are pretty good and saving you money.
I don't think modern diesels are less reliable than petrol, but they go wrong in very expensive ways.
A couple of years ago, a guyat work ran his tourag out of diesel. What's the big deal, you think?
The fuel pump is lubricated by the fuel, and apparently, when it runs dry, it lunches itself, filling the injectors with crap so they need replacing too.
Ouch!
Whereas I would guess the most common failure mode for petrol cars is head gasket or electronics, and things like injectors are a fraction of the price of the diesel equivalent (direct injection may be more expensive).
A couple of years ago, a guyat work ran his tourag out of diesel. What's the big deal, you think?
The fuel pump is lubricated by the fuel, and apparently, when it runs dry, it lunches itself, filling the injectors with crap so they need replacing too.
Ouch!
Whereas I would guess the most common failure mode for petrol cars is head gasket or electronics, and things like injectors are a fraction of the price of the diesel equivalent (direct injection may be more expensive).
Redlake27 said:
I'm pondering an Alfa 159. There's plenty of 2.0JTDMs with the very proven GM/Fiat engine and the promise of 45mpg. Or there's some simple petrol 2.2 ones that may struggle to do 30mpg , but have very little to go wrong.
Google Vectra 2.2 timing chains!! You may change your mind again..Acquah said:
To add some balance to the discussion, I spent bargain basement money on a high spec 2005 Renault Laguna 1.9dci. The idea was to take some miles off my MX-5 and my E39 528i. It had over 170k when I bought it. 9 months later, its nearly 190k. In that time pretty much all its needed is a front spring and routine maintenance (inspections and oil changes). I've been so confident in it's reliability that I've just got back from a 1,000 mile trip in mainland Europe. I mainly use it on the motorway and it's reasonably refined. Even it it went bang tomorrow, its already paid for itself with the fuel saved. I think I'll keep it just to see how long I can keep it going.
I hope you 'touched wood' after you typed all that!!I just got rid of my fairly new VW T5 for the same reasons.
Nothing serious,just an messy, blowy, oil leak.
The gasket was £12 and the labour..£720 I put it up for sale the day I paid the bill.
These newer diesels can be ruinous.
I now have a 2000 reg Land Cruiser,which has a lot less sensors,alarms,dash lights and gizzmo's, and have also reduced the amount of cash tied up in the vehicle.
Nothing serious,just an messy, blowy, oil leak.
The gasket was £12 and the labour..£720 I put it up for sale the day I paid the bill.
These newer diesels can be ruinous.
I now have a 2000 reg Land Cruiser,which has a lot less sensors,alarms,dash lights and gizzmo's, and have also reduced the amount of cash tied up in the vehicle.
What proportion of cars sold now are diesels? Given that with some models the majority are now diesel is it supprising that there are more stories of diesel failures than petrol?
What proportion of these suffer expensive failures? It's very easy to point to a number of stories on the internet and even a few personal anecdotes but this doesn't tell you how often this kind of things occurs.
Is it possible for a petrol car to suffer an expensive failure? Head gasket failure on an engine with an alloy block can effectively write it off as can a timing belt failure. Petrol engines have been suffering expensive failures for years.
Is a bill for a couple of grand after 150,000 miles really a massive issue? A few years back that kind of milage was end of life for a lot of cars.
What proportion of these suffer expensive failures? It's very easy to point to a number of stories on the internet and even a few personal anecdotes but this doesn't tell you how often this kind of things occurs.
Is it possible for a petrol car to suffer an expensive failure? Head gasket failure on an engine with an alloy block can effectively write it off as can a timing belt failure. Petrol engines have been suffering expensive failures for years.
Is a bill for a couple of grand after 150,000 miles really a massive issue? A few years back that kind of milage was end of life for a lot of cars.
Edited by Devil2575 on Thursday 25th September 12:25
Friend has a 1.9 SDi vw. The aux belt shredded and found it's way inside the timing cover and wrapped itself around the crank gear (under the timing belt), causing it to slip and you can guess the result.
It's a very unlucky thing to happen. The engine did not miss a beat until this happened at 130k. It's not a diesel related problem, it could so easily happen to a petrol engine too.
It's a very unlucky thing to happen. The engine did not miss a beat until this happened at 130k. It's not a diesel related problem, it could so easily happen to a petrol engine too.
theshrew said:
Half the problem is poor quality fuel.
The other half is down to the exhaust emmision rules, this has made systems more complicated ( noddy ideas like EGR ) More to go wrong.
Get a mid 90's Pug or something like that they chug on forever.
Adding 2-stroke oil to the diesel at a 200:1 ratio seems to reduce wear in the pump/injectors. Not found a negative report as yet. The other half is down to the exhaust emmision rules, this has made systems more complicated ( noddy ideas like EGR ) More to go wrong.
Get a mid 90's Pug or something like that they chug on forever.
the trouble is, people end up buying a diesel for the cost, the headline MPG figure which can be exceptional, but the problem is it isn't the whole picture.
I still maintain that if you want cheap motoring, buy a N/A 1.8/2.0 engined Japanese thing from a few years back, Accord, Primera, that kind of thing, buy the best one you can find and run that, change the oil once a year, change the consumables and just deal with the fuel consumption of late twenties/early thirties as typically, you have to spend an awful lot more to save a few MPG, which then can easily get wiped out when you have an engine problem.
A lot of diesel drivers dont even do the miles to warrant having one, we have a Ford Galaxy that does very mileage, but try buying a petrol one, plus its one of those cars where a smaller petrol is useless.
I still maintain that if you want cheap motoring, buy a N/A 1.8/2.0 engined Japanese thing from a few years back, Accord, Primera, that kind of thing, buy the best one you can find and run that, change the oil once a year, change the consumables and just deal with the fuel consumption of late twenties/early thirties as typically, you have to spend an awful lot more to save a few MPG, which then can easily get wiped out when you have an engine problem.
A lot of diesel drivers dont even do the miles to warrant having one, we have a Ford Galaxy that does very mileage, but try buying a petrol one, plus its one of those cars where a smaller petrol is useless.
I've recently changed from petrol to diesel cars.
Now had a Ford Galaxy with the 2.0 TDCI (140bhp) on 65k miles and a Citroen C5 with the 2.0 HDI (136bhp) on 92k miles.
Both manuals.
I am essentially fooked!!
It's nice to get 550miles between fill ups (on the C5) though.
I had a Volvo V70 D5 a few years ago and and injector went on that (wouldn't cold start). Cost £240 to fix. That included diagnostics, the injector then I had to DIY fit, thankfully it came out dead easy. Given they have 5 cylinders that's potentially a lot of cash!! The gearbox starting playing up before anything else though....oh and the EGR system was gunked up like you wouldn't beleive, still ran fine though.
Now had a Ford Galaxy with the 2.0 TDCI (140bhp) on 65k miles and a Citroen C5 with the 2.0 HDI (136bhp) on 92k miles.
Both manuals.
I am essentially fooked!!
It's nice to get 550miles between fill ups (on the C5) though.
I had a Volvo V70 D5 a few years ago and and injector went on that (wouldn't cold start). Cost £240 to fix. That included diagnostics, the injector then I had to DIY fit, thankfully it came out dead easy. Given they have 5 cylinders that's potentially a lot of cash!! The gearbox starting playing up before anything else though....oh and the EGR system was gunked up like you wouldn't beleive, still ran fine though.
Edited by dave_s13 on Thursday 25th September 12:48
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