Trafford Centre ****wittery.
Discussion
Debaser said:
J4CKO said:
Debaser said:
Durzel said:
J4CKO said:
Are cars like that difficult to handle or is that just a lack of experience of RWD and 500 plus bhp on bone dry tarmac ? both seemed to snap back the other way.
Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
Lift off oversteer. Once you're at a sufficient angle & speed no electronics are going to save you. Only remedy I think is experience (or not doing it in the first place).Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
I'm quite willing to be told otherwise but I don't think the traction control or whatever in these sorts of cars is so severe that it would stop you doing something like this if you put your mind to it. Obviously if it's switched off all bets are off.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
The Mercedes driver was still on the power until (just) after it went the other way, which I think was caused by him not anticipating how the change in camber (of the road) would affect his car while under power.
jamieduff1981 said:
Debaser said:
J4CKO said:
Debaser said:
Durzel said:
J4CKO said:
Are cars like that difficult to handle or is that just a lack of experience of RWD and 500 plus bhp on bone dry tarmac ? both seemed to snap back the other way.
Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
Lift off oversteer. Once you're at a sufficient angle & speed no electronics are going to save you. Only remedy I think is experience (or not doing it in the first place).Ok, the correct answer is don't do it in the first place but assuming that you are doing that same thing, in the same circumstance, how would he have avoided that, less throttle, keeping his foot down ?
It seemed to change gear, would that have been a manual shift or the box doing it itself ? am guessing he would have turned the ESP off ? would have thought the Merc, even with it on would allow a bit of slip ?
I'm quite willing to be told otherwise but I don't think the traction control or whatever in these sorts of cars is so severe that it would stop you doing something like this if you put your mind to it. Obviously if it's switched off all bets are off.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
The Mercedes driver was still on the power until (just) after it went the other way, which I think was caused by him not anticipating how the change in camber (of the road) would affect his car while under power.
TheHound said:
Doesn't matter if he is military of a f
king martian, it is a UK registered car so he must have insurance (and I don't see any trade plates to get round it that way).
Military personnel's plates do not always pop up on databases such as askMID.king martian, it is a UK registered car so he must have insurance (and I don't see any trade plates to get round it that way).I can vouch for this 100% as my last 4 cars have not appeared on these databases but have definitely been insured
(Doesn't excuse his driving though)
DuncsGTi said:
Military personnel's plates do not always pop up on databases such as askMID.
I can vouch for this 100% as my last 4 cars have not appeared on these databases but have definitely been insured
(Doesn't excuse his driving though)
Only BFG registered vehicles. Anyone posted in the UK will be the same as everyone else. I can vouch for this 100% as my last 4 cars have not appeared on these databases but have definitely been insured
(Doesn't excuse his driving though)
wolf1 said:
DuncsGTi said:
Military personnel's plates do not always pop up on databases such as askMID.
I can vouch for this 100% as my last 4 cars have not appeared on these databases but have definitely been insured
(Doesn't excuse his driving though)
Only BFG registered vehicles. Anyone posted in the UK will be the same as everyone else. I can vouch for this 100% as my last 4 cars have not appeared on these databases but have definitely been insured
(Doesn't excuse his driving though)
TheHound said:
Yes they do, motor trader policy won't show up on database as it usually doesn't cover one car, therefore a trade plate usually also indicates that the car (is most likely) insured under trader policy.
As stated if it's BFG it won't show up. His UK plates will be in the boot. richs2891 said:
The roads around the Trafford centre are bad at any times, with far too many people that don't understand roundabouts, cant judge speeds, or know which lane to be in
Agreed. I'm not sure why the driving is so bad around there.richs2891 said:
then add the likes of the Jag driver or the Merc and its pretty obvious what's going to happen. .
Doing driving like that around there, in front of a crowd, in the daytime, when the shops and petrol station are open, just strikes me as madness.Ari said:
Debaser said:
Lift off oversteer? It looks a lot more like power on oversteer.
If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
Agreed. But mouth breathers watch their heros on Top Gear, or even Chris Harris on here, switching off the ESP and sliding the cars about, often on public roads, and think it's a good idea. If the stability control was on the cars wouldn't have got that out of shape.
Been plenty of posts on PH from idiots who think their god given driving skilz mean they can 'hoon' on public roads with the ESP off. They 'like to feel the car moving about a bit' apparently.
Utter cretins.
I was there yesterday. Some very poor driving exhibited, I can't believe two people crashed their cars just because they are RWD.
It was indeed the Jag driver taking a bow in the video.
Looking at the car in person, the front carbon splitter needs replacing and front respray/polish. The back would need at least new bumper, exhaust, wheel, suspension, etc. The owner said the wishbone had snapped, giving it that excessive camber.
Maybe he was going for the 'you've ripped it's arse off' look from TG when Jeremy crashed the XFR in the caravan
It was indeed the Jag driver taking a bow in the video.
Looking at the car in person, the front carbon splitter needs replacing and front respray/polish. The back would need at least new bumper, exhaust, wheel, suspension, etc. The owner said the wishbone had snapped, giving it that excessive camber.
Maybe he was going for the 'you've ripped it's arse off' look from TG when Jeremy crashed the XFR in the caravan
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