Trafford Centre ****wittery.
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alecescolme said:
From about 8:30 till mid-afternoon.
That may explain the big traffic jams and Police cars when I was trying to get home from B&Q. Or that may have been a normal Sunday around the Trafford Centre. Weird choice of time and place for dubious driving though. The world and his wife go there on a Sunday. It is one of the biggest shopping centres around.
-Not exactly discrete or away from the hordes...
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 29th September 22:45
Have absolutely no idea how the F the driver of the Jag managed to make such a mess of that.
Not quite sure how the Mercedes driver managed to completely stuff it, either.
I do wonder if incidents like these are the result of all the day to day driving aids and electronics being so good, that young guys who drive around in modern cars with little to no prior experience of driving a powerful car without the "safety net" of electronic aids suddenly find themselves way out of their depth when they deactivate everything to "show off". Even 10-15 years ago when these aids were more primitive, or, in many cases, yet to be developed at all, at least as you drove more powerful cars you'd have to learn pretty quickly to respect them.
I dread to think what'll happen in a few years time when most drivers will have spent most of their time on the road relying on lane assist, ESP, automatic braking/colllision avoidance, radar assisted cruise control, blind spot monitoring/warning, automatic high/dipped beam, etc.
All this technology is brilliant, but it shouldn't come at the expense of developing your ability to control the machine and learning to be aware of your surroundings.
Not quite sure how the Mercedes driver managed to completely stuff it, either.
I do wonder if incidents like these are the result of all the day to day driving aids and electronics being so good, that young guys who drive around in modern cars with little to no prior experience of driving a powerful car without the "safety net" of electronic aids suddenly find themselves way out of their depth when they deactivate everything to "show off". Even 10-15 years ago when these aids were more primitive, or, in many cases, yet to be developed at all, at least as you drove more powerful cars you'd have to learn pretty quickly to respect them.
I dread to think what'll happen in a few years time when most drivers will have spent most of their time on the road relying on lane assist, ESP, automatic braking/colllision avoidance, radar assisted cruise control, blind spot monitoring/warning, automatic high/dipped beam, etc.
All this technology is brilliant, but it shouldn't come at the expense of developing your ability to control the machine and learning to be aware of your surroundings.
Timfy said:
Have absolutely no idea how the F the driver of the Jag managed to make such a mess of that.
Not quite sure how the Mercedes driver managed to completely stuff it, either.
I do wonder if incidents like these are the result of all the day to day driving aids and electronics being so good, that young guys who drive around in modern cars with little to no prior experience of driving a powerful car without the "safety net" of electronic aids suddenly find themselves way out of their depth when they deactivate everything to "show off". Even 10-15 years ago when these aids were more primitive, or, in many cases, yet to be developed at all, at least as you drove more powerful cars you'd have to learn pretty quickly to respect them.
I dread to think what'll happen in a few years time when most drivers will have spent most of their time on the road relying on lane assist, ESP, automatic braking/colllision avoidance, radar assisted cruise control, blind spot monitoring/warning, automatic high/dipped beam, etc.
All this technology is brilliant, but it shouldn't come at the expense of developing your ability to control the machine and learning to be aware of your surroundings.
I'm sure you're correct. Modern cars generally show impeccable manners but adhesion is so high that it can seem overwhelming when they do let go. My wife and I have, as I said in a previous post, had various RWD cars continuously over the years increasing in power and performance until our Cerbera which commands absolute respect. Compared to that, the XFR-S is very easy to chuck about but TBH when the DSC allows so much 'fun' with a safety net I just can't think what would possess anyone to switch it off and try something new in front of an audience.Not quite sure how the Mercedes driver managed to completely stuff it, either.
I do wonder if incidents like these are the result of all the day to day driving aids and electronics being so good, that young guys who drive around in modern cars with little to no prior experience of driving a powerful car without the "safety net" of electronic aids suddenly find themselves way out of their depth when they deactivate everything to "show off". Even 10-15 years ago when these aids were more primitive, or, in many cases, yet to be developed at all, at least as you drove more powerful cars you'd have to learn pretty quickly to respect them.
I dread to think what'll happen in a few years time when most drivers will have spent most of their time on the road relying on lane assist, ESP, automatic braking/colllision avoidance, radar assisted cruise control, blind spot monitoring/warning, automatic high/dipped beam, etc.
All this technology is brilliant, but it shouldn't come at the expense of developing your ability to control the machine and learning to be aware of your surroundings.
I'm no Winkle Brown but I do like to build up to things gradually - not just go for it. I'd much sooner embarrass myself by not hooning it off a roundabout than embarrass myself by crashing it. These events really aren't my idea of a good time though.
Durzel said:
To be fair to the guy, and he is a massive tosspot for being involved at all, but people have been binning cars whilst showing off since time immemorial - so he's not really special. He's young, lacks experience, it's a powerful RWD and he's trying to show off. If it wasn't there it would've been somewhere else when there was an audience or someone who "challenged his masculinity".
Which all begs the question with this, and the supercar knob jockeys in London and the sycophants that shadow them with cameras, is that which came first - the chicken or the egg?
Needs changing to the 21st century version, "Which came first, the camera or the tWhich all begs the question with this, and the supercar knob jockeys in London and the sycophants that shadow them with cameras, is that which came first - the chicken or the egg?
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RenOHH said:
Nothing to say except everyone there looks like a massive bellend. Any PHers go?
I turned up at about 10:30, there were lots and lots of people videoing all the cars coming in on their phones, Knightsbridge style...A lot of nice cars there, multiple 458s, Aventador, 360, Phantom and about 10 C63's
The people seemed ok to be fair, mainly Arab looking demographic.
anonymous said:
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The problem for me with both the Merc/Jag is the size and weight of them coupled to an auto gearbox that gives you even less control and once they are swinging around you have to be one your toes to catch them, I got my E92 M3 out of shape a couple of times when I wasn't expecting it and you really feel their weight.The only reason I mostly drove mine with the traction off was because in the dry it just holds the power back too much and as with anything there is a time and place for fun but I have done similar in my old 200sx showing off leaving a pub with people around but I managed not to bend mine.
Its easy when you are a little younger to get wrapped up in the moment and its not big or clever but you hopefully learn from mistakes.
cerb4.5lee said:
The only reason I mostly drove mine with the traction off was because in the dry it just holds the power back too much
No offence but 
do you really think you are more able to control a car than numerous skilled test drivers and 100's of technicians have honed to what they consider perfection for road use Lost soul said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The only reason I mostly drove mine with the traction off was because in the dry it just holds the power back too much
No offence but do you really think you are more able to control a car than numerous skilled test drivers and 100's of technicians have honed to what they consider perfection for road use Its just the nanny state why we have so much electronic intervention but as with any fairly powerful rear drive car you have to respect it or a field/lamp post/tree will be waiting for you, traction control is certainly a benefit in some situations for sure but it still wont stop you crashing though.
cerb4.5lee said:
Lost soul said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The only reason I mostly drove mine with the traction off was because in the dry it just holds the power back too much
No offence but do you really think you are more able to control a car than numerous skilled test drivers and 100's of technicians have honed to what they consider perfection for road use turn them off and , well we are here on this thread
cerb4.5lee said:
No I don't think that for one minute but as with my Z4M as well the traction just holds them both back too much for my liking and I prefer to feel the rear move around a little with me in control and not the electronics and both the M3/Z4M have a limited slip diff too so I have never really understood why you then need electronics as well, I got on fine in my 200sx/Cerbera with just a limited slip diff with over 10 years ownership.
Its just the nanny state why we have so much electronic intervention but as with any fairly powerful rear drive car you have to respect it or a field/lamp post/tree will be waiting for you, traction control is certainly a benefit in some situations for sure but it still wont stop you crashing though.
I'll bite.Its just the nanny state why we have so much electronic intervention but as with any fairly powerful rear drive car you have to respect it or a field/lamp post/tree will be waiting for you, traction control is certainly a benefit in some situations for sure but it still wont stop you crashing though.
Modern stability controls are better than yours or almost anyone elses on here right foot. They won't stop you from crashing if you really try but are a lot better than you give them credit for.
Also, I've never heard of a LSD being a safety feature on a car!
Steve
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