RE: Ford Mustang GT: Driven

RE: Ford Mustang GT: Driven

Monday 29th September 2014

Ford Mustang GT: Driven

Ecoboost schmecoboost; if you want the view on the proper V8 Mustang here's our first taste



So while the new Ecoboost-engined four-pot Mustang that we reviewed the other day is grabbing the headlines, it's the V8 powered GT that gives a far more traditional Mustang experience.

That's what you want under a Mustang's bonnet
That's what you want under a Mustang's bonnet
Actually, strike that. It gives two thirds of a traditional Mustang experience - delivering on both performance and soundtrack, but failing conspicuously when it comes to the sort of mechanical crudity that's always defined the breed.

This takes some getting used to. I drove a US-spec car in the States, but found a road that put on a fairly convincing impression of the kind of British B-road that would usually make a mockery of a big Yank tank. Approaching a big bump at a decent lick I found myself instinctively tensing in anticipation of the sort of crash and shudder a last-gen Mustang would make if asked to digest a heave it at this sort of speed. It didn't happen; I'd be lying if I said the GT turned into a 70s Citroen and I didn't feel a thing, but the springs took several inches of travel without complaint and the dampers handled the rebound fuss-free.

And that's what you want to be controlling it with
And that's what you want to be controlling it with
Nothing you wouldn't expect any self-respecting sports car to pull off, but still a revelation in a standard Mustang.

So what about the engine?
It's not that long since Ford made nearly as many V8s as it did cars in the States. Now the eight-cylinder is an endangered species, and the Mustang GT and its brawnier sisters are the only remaining passenger car application for the 'Coyote' V8. So we probably shouldn't be surprised that, apart from some minor top-end tinkering, it's carried over effectively unchanged from the last Mustang.

This is no bad thing. The V8 can't match the turbocharged torque of the Ecoboost low down, but it's got a broad mid-range and revs far more keenly than the four. Peak power is delivered at 6,500rpm, but it carries on pulling beyond that and to the 7,000rpm redline. By contrast, the Ecoboost has had a Horlicks and gone for an early night by 5,500rpm. The V8's soundtrack is relatively muted at lower engine speeds but it gets nice and snarly when worked hard. Which, as this seems to make it happy, you do a lot.

Bye bye live axle, hello a modern age Mustang
Bye bye live axle, hello a modern age Mustang
It helped that our GT came with the standard Tremec six-speed manual, which doesn't have the sharpest shift action but is vastly better than the slushy autobox of the Ecoboost we drove. It also had the optional GT Performance package, bringing a shorter final drive ratio as well as uprated brakes, but the ratios still felt well spaced for both blasting and cruising. The electric power steering feels impressively non-electrical, although the 'sport' mode adds nothing but weight. Still, the limits are flagged up accurately enough.

Smoking oversteer, right?
Well the extra grunt of the V8 certainly gives the GT a far more rear-biased handling balance than the Ecoboost, but you still need to be trying hard to get the rear end - and its fancy new independent suspension - to relinquish grip. In large part this is because the chassis manages to find far more raw adhesion than Mustangs of old. But it also feels like Ford's liability lawyers have had their say. Attack a faster corner and - without kamikaze tactics - the front end always gives up first. And in slower bends you need the combination of stability off and big throttle inputs to get it sliding, although it's tidy and easily gathered when it does. This is fair enough when you consider the GT is just the slightly faster mainstream version. More powerful sideways-everywhere models are certain to follow.

Suspension puts rest of car under scrutiny
Suspension puts rest of car under scrutiny
One of the side effects of the improved suspension is that you start to notice other things about the Mustang. Like how much it weighs. Low US pricing has prevented it from getting much in the way of lightweight tech - bonnet and front wings are aluminium, but the rest of the body is steel. This is as Ford launches an aluminium-bodied pickup truck in the States. And with the extra weight of the new rear suspension and more safety kit the new GT is actually 39kg heavier than the last one - a porky 1,682kg on US figures. That hasn't blunted acceleration noticeably - US magazines report mid-fours 0-60mph times - but the combination of accurate steering and a compliant chassis means you're very aware of the mass on a twisty road. The Mustang is definitely a car for that hoary old slow-in-fast-out technique.

And the numbers...
Our source within Ford UK suggests the V8 will cost under £35,000 when it reaches the UK next year. That's cheap enough to allow a credible amount of space beneath the premium-badged alternatives. The known unknown is what the CO2 rating will be when put through the official European test - nobody is going to be too surprised if it's big enough to scare off all but the most determined UK company users and those unlucky Europeans who pay vast rates of tax on emissions, horsepower or both.

One interesting nugget from the States, though - when driven reasonably hard on real roads the GT seems to be slightly more economical than the Ecoboost.


FORD MUSTANG GT
Engine:
4,951cc V8
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive, limited-slip differential
Power (hp): 435@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 400@4250rpm
0-62mph: 4.6 sec (estimate)
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Kerbweight: 1,682kg
MPG: n/a
CO2: n/a
Price: c.£35,000 (autumn 2015 on sale)





   

 



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crispyshark

Original Poster:

1,262 posts

145 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Now you're talking.....decent looks, proper Mustang V8 engine, manual box....and blow me down....talk that it might even handle well (or at lease better than some of the older horse liveried examples).

If this is at the price suggested, I'd certainly be interested.

Please Ford, don't cock this up.

Gecko1978

9,680 posts

157 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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£35K +5K for a supercharger.....hello 911 turbo type perfromance (perhaps only in a stright line) this might be the next Monaro etc but at 35k will sell in bigger numbers than the rebadged holdon did

smilo996

2,783 posts

170 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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It is mind boggling to think, Ford only dropped the live axle, an oxymoron, for the 2014 car.
Looks great in this colour though.

daveco

4,125 posts

207 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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That's a cracking looking car and with the soundtrack to back it up cool

Out of curiosity, what would the CO2 figures likely be for this engine?

Rick1.8t

1,463 posts

179 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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daveco said:
That's a cracking looking car and with the soundtrack to back it up cool

Out of curiosity, what would the CO2 figures likely be for this engine?
It will be a top tax band car, have no doubt about that but if you can cope with su 20mpg then I am sure an extra £20 per month tax wont matter.....

Lovely car, I may be in a minority but I could see me looking for the smaller turbo engine model next year - I have had enough of sub 20mpg cars for a while and love the whole idea of this car.

kambites

67,544 posts

221 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Enormously appealing car now that the German smallish two-door super saloons are going either turbocharged or automatic or both. £35k would be an absolute bargain. smile

Motorrad

6,811 posts

187 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Rick1.8t said:
It will be a top tax band car, have no doubt about that but if you can cope with su 20mpg then I am sure an extra £20 per month tax wont matter.....

Lovely car, I may be in a minority but I could see me looking for the smaller turbo engine model next year - I have had enough of sub 20mpg cars for a while and love the whole idea of this car.
When you say 'sub20mpg' are you talking about driving the car in town all the time?

My 2010 car which had a supercharger, 3.73 gearing and the old 4.6 V8 would average 22mpg in mixed driving and over 26 on the motorway. The 5.0 is much more efficient- I averaged 25 US MPG in an auto box 2013 car over 3K miles or so.

Rick1.8t

1,463 posts

179 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Motorrad said:
Rick1.8t said:
It will be a top tax band car, have no doubt about that but if you can cope with su 20mpg then I am sure an extra £20 per month tax wont matter.....

Lovely car, I may be in a minority but I could see me looking for the smaller turbo engine model next year - I have had enough of sub 20mpg cars for a while and love the whole idea of this car.
When you say 'sub20mpg' are you talking about driving the car in town all the time?

My 2010 car which had a supercharger, 3.73 gearing and the old 4.6 V8 would average 22mpg in mixed driving and over 26 on the motorway. The 5.0 is much more efficient- I averaged 25 US MPG in an auto box 2013 car over 3K miles or so.
Ok I wont argue as you clearly have experience but at 2mpg its hardly far off, and the reality is that a daily driven car will see a lot of town driving.

Around 20mpg 'average' is reality then.... were splitting hairs here.

kambites

67,544 posts

221 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Rick1.8t said:
Around 20mpg is realty.
It'll be no worse than an M4, C63, RS4, etc. Of the order of 30mpg on the motorway, 20 around town is fine for this sort of vehicle.

mcbook

1,384 posts

175 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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That looks absolutely stunning. £35k seems like good value, too.

When you weigh it up against competitors, it is quite compelling.

BMW M235i
Nissan 370Z

Not sure I can think of any more fast 2 doors coupes at that price.

cerb4.5lee

30,480 posts

180 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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I must admit I have a lot of want for this car and I love the fact you can get a brawny V8 coupled to a manual gearbox with this car rather than the default paddles that most other performance cars come with in this day and age.

Maybe the future can still be bright driving


Rick1.8t

1,463 posts

179 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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kambites said:
Rick1.8t said:
Around 20mpg is realty.
It'll be no worse than an M4, C63, RS4, etc. Of the order of 30mpg on the motorway, 20 around town is fine for this sort of vehicle.
I didn't say it would be any worse, only that if its high road tax band put you off then maybe a 20mpg car isn't for you....

kambites

67,544 posts

221 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Rick1.8t said:
kambites said:
Rick1.8t said:
Around 20mpg is realty.
It'll be no worse than an M4, C63, RS4, etc. Of the order of 30mpg on the motorway, 20 around town is fine for this sort of vehicle.
I didn't say it would be any worse, only that if its high road tax band put you off then maybe a 20mpg car isn't for you....
VED, I'd agree. BiK can have a huge effect though.

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

163 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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LHD only I assume? No matter how much of a bargain to buy, or expensive it is to run, LHD will always be the killer.

The Wookie

13,933 posts

228 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Really like it

Have to say I have a soft spot for the odd yank motor. If it's a good cruiser and can manage high 20's mpg then it may prise me from my Lotus when it comes to change it...

kambites

67,544 posts

221 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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SteveSteveson said:
LHD only I assume? No matter how much of a bargain to buy, or expensive it is to run, LHD will always be the killer.
The version of the Mustang will be available in RHD and sold as a full UK market car.

thirsty

726 posts

264 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Rick1.8t said:
kambites said:
Rick1.8t said:
Around 20mpg is realty.
It'll be no worse than an M4, C63, RS4, etc. Of the order of 30mpg on the motorway, 20 around town is fine for this sort of vehicle.
I didn't say it would be any worse, only that if its high road tax band put you off then maybe a 20mpg car isn't for you....
It's rated at 16/25 US Gallons with Average of 19. That equates to 20/30 with an average of 24 in the UK.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

187 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Rick1.8t said:
Ok I wont argue as you clearly have experience but at 2mpg its hardly far off, and the reality is that a daily driven car will see a lot of town driving.

Around 20mpg 'average' is reality then.... were splitting hairs here.
Not really- my car had a supercharger and much worse economy/less power 4.6 engine as well as very short gearing. The new car will easily do mid 20s with a manual box.

thatguy11

640 posts

123 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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Yeeha! Now this is a Mustang. 8 cylinders, looks mean as hell, low price. Done.

ryanthescot

287 posts

154 months

Monday 29th September 2014
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oh lawdy. if it's £35k i'll be glad I didnt get a Golf R or m135i.