RE: Ford Mustang GT: Driven

[Axionknight]

Gimme!

That is all.

[jamieduff1981]

vanschpunk said:

Off the V8 topic, but the 2.3 L Ecoboost doesnt sound too shabby

http://youtu.be/xDKLB09j1fo

Sorry but it wouldn't ever occur to me to turn around to look at where that noise was coming from. Instantly forgettable. The stuff sleeping pills are made from.

[Clivey]

jamieduff1981 said:

Sorry but it wouldn't ever occur to me to turn around to look at where that noise was coming from. Instantly forgettable. The stuff sleeping pills are made from.

Our dog would probably try to attack the 4-pot. He'd run from the Coyote.

[unpc]

crofty1984 said:

I think they pump some of the V8 sound in through the speakers on this one, don't they?

No. Seems not.

[J4CKO]

Would love to see a back to back comparison between the current M4 and the new V8 Mustang, the M4, to be fair has had a fairly lukewarm reception considering, power is very similar so fairly comparable, this video compares the old models,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

The BMW was 1/10 th of a second quicker round a track, so a rematch will be interesting.

[RenesisEvo]

As if to tease me, a previous-gen Mustang rumbled passed me whilst I wandered about on my lunch break. It made me wonder - will the UK car have the same rear direction indicator set up (three lights flashing in succession)? A minor thing I know, but that sort of thing just makes me smile. I fear the bureaucrats will stop it coming over here.

[Matt Harper]

unpc said:

crofty1984 said:

I think they pump some of the V8 sound in through the speakers on this one, don't they?

No. Seems not.

Correct - they use the same crappy plastic hose system, with various addenda, filled with poli-foam. It adds nothing but a bit of weight, additional unnecessary under-hood clutter and an annoying drone in the car. Very easy to tear out, plug the bulkhead hole and cap the joint in the intake tube. It's a piece of crap that shouldn't be on this or any other car.

[J4CKO]

Matt Harper said:

unpc said:

crofty1984 said:

I think they pump some of the V8 sound in through the speakers on this one, don't they?

No. Seems not.

Correct - they use the same crappy plastic hose system, with various addenda, filled with poli-foam. It adds nothing but a bit of weight, additional unnecessary under-hood clutter and an annoying drone in the car. Very easy to tear out, plug the bulkhead hole and cap the joint in the intake tube. It's a piece of crap that shouldn't be on this or any other car.

I thought that system was weird on the 2012 I had for a couple of weeks, it seems to open up under full throttle and goes from quite muted, forget you are in a V8 almost and then it cuts in, quite artificially, I would remove it if I had one.

[s m]

eztiger said:

marting said:

I can see the appeal, but 35k buys a pretty good second hand V8 M3. Can it really compete with an M3?

Yes.

Been a while since there's been a Ford that could compete in driving terms with an M3

[Motorrad]

Matt Harper said:

Correct - they use the same crappy plastic hose system, with various addenda, filled with poli-foam. It adds nothing but a bit of weight, additional unnecessary under-hood clutter and an annoying drone in the car. Very easy to tear out, plug the bulkhead hole and cap the joint in the intake tube. It's a piece of crap that shouldn't be on this or any other car.

Not through the speakers but one of the first things modified on my car.

[J4CKO]

s m said:

eztiger said:

marting said:

I can see the appeal, but 35k buys a pretty good second hand V8 M3. Can it really compete with an M3?

Yes.

Been a while since there's been a Ford that could compete in driving terms with an M3

Watch the video I posted, even allowing for Americans being a little biased it put up a really good case for itself, and that is the old model, let us not forget that Ford actually have a fair track record for producing decent handling vehicles, the engine in these is great, they have addressed the two biggest failings, the interior and live axle and the M4 has gone turbo, this is still resolutely N/A, that is until the proper high performance variants come out.......

Dont get me wrong, a BMW M car is a fine thing, I just want to see the Mustang, the underdog give it a bit of a pasting.

[s m]

J4CKO said:

Watch the video I posted, even allowing for Americans being a little biased it put up a really good case for itself, and that is the old model, let us not forget that Ford actually have a fair track record for producing decent handling vehicles, the engine in these is great, they have addressed the two biggest failings, the interior and live axle and the M4 has gone turbo, this is still resolutely N/A, that is until the proper high performance variants come out.......

Dont get me wrong, a BMW M car is a fine thing, I just want to see the Mustang, the underdog give it a bit of a pasting.

Yes it was more of an observation than an opposing view

Enjoyed the clip

[Zad]

Much that I am a fan of the M3, I get the feeling that after a head-to-head it would go to a wine bar with a couple of friends and complain about, like, y'know guys, how it was, like, totally disrespected, yeah? The Mustang would find the nearest pub and end up with a lock-in with the locals, telling fart jokes and stuffing toilet roll up its shirt to make fake boobs.

I can't help wonder if the people behind the new TVR are a bit worried at that price/performance ratio. It may be a bit heavy for a TVR, but the whole package isn't a million miles away.

[Clivey]

Zad said:

I can't help wonder if the people behind the new TVR are a bit worried at that price/performance ratio. It may be a bit heavy for a TVR, but the whole package isn't a million miles away.

Interesting that you should say this. When I showed the OH, she said something along the lines of "Which one are you having; that or a TVR?" (I intend on getting a Tuscan S).

I said: "I'll have the TVR...







...and you can have the Mustang."

[5ohmustang]

Matt you really don't like that sound induction tube. I'll replace mine when ever I do the CAI, the AEM ones are nice.

Here's my 5.0. Paid around 16k GBP, track pack, recaro seats, 6 speed, 2013, 34,000 miles.

Amazing to drive. I have no problems at all with the solid rear axle, they can handle way more force than the IRS. The terminator cobra's had IRS and a lot of owners would switch to the solid rear axle for this reason.

Edited by 5ohmustang on Monday 6th October 06:20

[skyrover]

5ohmustang said:

Amazing to drive. I have no problems at all with the solid rear axle, they can handle way more force than the IRS. The terminator cobra's had IRS and a lot of owners would switch to the solid rear axle for this reason.

Horses for courses.

Live Axle Pro's:

Stronger
Lighter
Cheaper

Live Axle Con's:

Unstable over bumps, skittery
More unsprung weight, slower suspension reaction
Uncomfortable

The live axle on a perfectly smooth racetrack is fine, and can even have an advantage due to total weight being less. It is also better suited to drag racing thanks to it's strength and stability.

In the real world, with rough, cambered roads and undulating surfaces, the live axle will always be at a disadvantage when pressing on.

Of course, you may never push your mustang hard enough to really notice the difference.

[PanzerCommander]

skyrover said:

5ohmustang said:

Amazing to drive. I have no problems at all with the solid rear axle, they can handle way more force than the IRS. The terminator cobra's had IRS and a lot of owners would switch to the solid rear axle for this reason.

Horses for courses.

Live Axle Pro's:

Stronger
Lighter
Cheaper

Live Axle Con's:

Unstable over bumps, skittery
More unsprung weight, slower suspension reaction
Uncomfortable

The live axle on a perfectly smooth racetrack is fine, and can even have an advantage due to total weight being less. It is also better suited to drag racing thanks to it's strength and stability.

In the real world, with rough, cambered roads and undulating surfaces, the live axle will always be at a disadvantage when pressing on.

Of course, you may never push your mustang hard enough to really notice the difference.

Sums it up nicely from my experience with using a 2006 Mustang as a daily and as a drag racing car.

Interestingly though the Cobra variant of the SN95 model mentioned that had IRS was compromised as it sat in a cradle that bolted to the stock for link suspension pickups. Most of the people that stripped it out and fitted the stock live axle where people that drag raced them. I imagine there are some otherwise stock SN95's running around (especially in the US) with Cobra IRS rears on

The new S550 (as the model for the 15+ will be known) has a ground up system rather than a heavy cradle connected to the mount points for the tri-link (five anchor points if you include the Panhard brace and rod) to hold it.

[Rumblestripe]

Looks superb in that colour, it'll be interesting to see them in a European context will they still look slightly "alien"?

As for the chap above asking about the sequential turn indicators, I'm pretty sure that is a Euro-no-no. Gotta be yella, fella.

[PanzerCommander]

Rumblestripe said:

Looks superb in that colour, it'll be interesting to see them in a European context will they still look slightly "alien"?

As for the chap above asking about the sequential turn indicators, I'm pretty sure that is a Euro-no-no. Gotta be yella, fella.

The red indicators are a UK no-no. I have seen amber sequential indicators on a French registered vehicle (it was an AUDI of some description - Q5 I think). However, I think even amber sequentials are a no-no in the UK

Beats me as to why you can't have red turn signals on the rear on a car that was originally designed for them (regardless of its age) as its blatantly obvious what they are especially if they are sequential.

[TWPC]

Gorbyrev said:

But that gunmetal looks absolutely amazing. Sub £35k ere is little to compete against it unless you want a Cayman Popular.

Love the 'Cayman Popular' idea: very good.
Also agree with all the approval for the gunmetal grey colour.

Aaah - £35K for a 400hp+ brand new V8 coupe. That would improve my turbo diesel, SUV-ridden life. Here's hoping...