RE: Scrappage carnage detailed
Discussion
Phil303 said:
I was after a complete rear big bumper for my 1989 Mk1 Golf Cabrio after the support beams had rusted through on the original one. There was no chance of buying one new after 20+ years so I went on ebay.
A VW breakers/ebay dealer in Northants (if memory serves me correctly) had - and this is no exaggeration - an absolutely pristine 1991 Californian import Cabrio being broken for spares. When I contacted them they told me there was nothing wrong with the car at all, bar being a left hander, but it had been traded in for scrap and had to be broken. It had a cream leather interior, air con, electric windows, elec roof, polished Castellet alloys etc. Being a US import it was totally rust free as well. They couldn't believe it but thats how it was.
If any good came out of it, I got my immaculate bumper and a few other VW owners got their fill of parts too. I know they aren't particularly valuable but I recall being dismayed that someone was happy to get rid of a perfect example of a classic for a poxy £2000 off some dull econo-box.
I also read in CCW or something similar that there was a rare 70's Toyota Celica scrapped that was stripped of as much as possible before the shell was crushed. Despite pleas from the owners club it couldn't be saved. It's criminal.
That exact MK1 Golf cabrio was sent to scrap by the dealership I worked for at the time. It was replaced by a metallic red Micra 1.2 Sport. Believe me, I tried to stop the owner when he came in to buy mudflaps for the Micra, I only had £3k in savings and offered him the lot but he said no as he had signed the papers. The car had 38000 miles on it and was in show condition. Not a mark on the leather or the paintwork.A VW breakers/ebay dealer in Northants (if memory serves me correctly) had - and this is no exaggeration - an absolutely pristine 1991 Californian import Cabrio being broken for spares. When I contacted them they told me there was nothing wrong with the car at all, bar being a left hander, but it had been traded in for scrap and had to be broken. It had a cream leather interior, air con, electric windows, elec roof, polished Castellet alloys etc. Being a US import it was totally rust free as well. They couldn't believe it but thats how it was.
If any good came out of it, I got my immaculate bumper and a few other VW owners got their fill of parts too. I know they aren't particularly valuable but I recall being dismayed that someone was happy to get rid of a perfect example of a classic for a poxy £2000 off some dull econo-box.
I also read in CCW or something similar that there was a rare 70's Toyota Celica scrapped that was stripped of as much as possible before the shell was crushed. Despite pleas from the owners club it couldn't be saved. It's criminal.
My parts delivery driver told me a few weeks ago that he had spotted a load of cars at Thurleigh Airfield (aka Bedford Autodrome) and a colleague confirmed that these are the scrappage cars. So 5 years down the line the cars are just sat there rotting away. It makes me sick.
Edited by tab84 on Monday 29th September 20:44
Let's be honest, it was wholesale vandalism in the name of pushing people into credit - because credit is how the UK now 'makes money' and it must be pushed at everyone constantly...
It's just part of a series of changes (MOT rules, Insurance/SORN and car tax etc) intended to get people out of cheap cars they can afford and into financing something "new" so that a factory running on cheap labour somewhere can keep churning it's s
t out regardless of actual demand for it.
A car industry bailout it didn't need or deserve and which benefitted banks more than anyone else I suspect.
The real problem it's caused is that it's started a sea-change in how people own cars. More and more people now 'rent' their cars via PCPs etc. which is producing an ever-growing pile of 2/3 year-old metal which NO-ONE wants - the secondhand market is really straining under the weight of the cars it's got to move on and I reckon something is going to have to give pretty soon (several bit secondhand retailers have already gone under this year with MASSIVE stocks they couldn't move).
It's just part of a series of changes (MOT rules, Insurance/SORN and car tax etc) intended to get people out of cheap cars they can afford and into financing something "new" so that a factory running on cheap labour somewhere can keep churning it's s
t out regardless of actual demand for it.A car industry bailout it didn't need or deserve and which benefitted banks more than anyone else I suspect.
The real problem it's caused is that it's started a sea-change in how people own cars. More and more people now 'rent' their cars via PCPs etc. which is producing an ever-growing pile of 2/3 year-old metal which NO-ONE wants - the secondhand market is really straining under the weight of the cars it's got to move on and I reckon something is going to have to give pretty soon (several bit secondhand retailers have already gone under this year with MASSIVE stocks they couldn't move).
405dogvan said:
Let's be honest, it was wholesale vandalism in the name of pushing people into credit - because credit is how the UK now 'makes money' and it must be pushed at everyone constantly...
It's just part of a series of changes (MOT rules, Insurance/SORN and car tax etc) intended to get people out of cheap cars they can afford and into financing something "new" so that a factory running on cheap labour somewhere can keep churning it's st out regardless of actual demand for it.
A car industry bailout it didn't need or deserve and which benefitted banks more than anyone else I suspect.
The real problem it's caused is that it's started a sea-change in how people own cars. More and more people now 'rent' their cars via PCPs etc. which is producing an ever-growing pile of 2/3 year-old metal which NO-ONE wants - the secondhand market is really straining under the weight of the cars it's got to move on and I reckon something is going to have to give pretty soon (several bit secondhand retailers have already gone under this year with MASSIVE stocks they couldn't move).
I never got why the scheme wasnt limited to cars built in this country - whats the bloody benefit to the economy in people buying Far Eastern-made crap?It's just part of a series of changes (MOT rules, Insurance/SORN and car tax etc) intended to get people out of cheap cars they can afford and into financing something "new" so that a factory running on cheap labour somewhere can keep churning it's s
t out regardless of actual demand for it.A car industry bailout it didn't need or deserve and which benefitted banks more than anyone else I suspect.
The real problem it's caused is that it's started a sea-change in how people own cars. More and more people now 'rent' their cars via PCPs etc. which is producing an ever-growing pile of 2/3 year-old metal which NO-ONE wants - the secondhand market is really straining under the weight of the cars it's got to move on and I reckon something is going to have to give pretty soon (several bit secondhand retailers have already gone under this year with MASSIVE stocks they couldn't move).
As for the groaning s/h market - stop moaning and enjoy the ridiculous used bargains. A favourite pastime of mine is reminding new-small-car sheeple how my luxury SUV cost half what they paid and wont depreciate, when they comment on how I must be "loaded" to afford such a vehicle
FordJunkie said:
A Ford Corsa? 
.Surly a car sales person should know the simple things.
what if it was one of those disgusting max power cars? it was all the rage to put celica or pug 306 lights onto the front of your corsa/fiesta. Those are the kind of cars I am glad are dying out these days..Surly a car sales person should know the simple things.urquattro said:
daytona365 said:
So how much has that new crap, sorry car, depreciated since 2009 ?
in 5 years, so say 97%, residual now down to 3% = serve them right, plus most were imports anyhow.Shame it's b
ks 
Hyundi i10 1.1 ES 2009/09
Price new £7195
Price at a franchised dealer £3870
PX £2880
40% after 5 years. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but that's pretty fecking good right?
A bad case of making numbers up to suit even though the actual ones are easy enough to find.
jarvie said:
There's a bloody Jag XJ6C in there! They're worth more than 2k even as just a shell! Seeing cars like the Quattro and 3.0 CSI on that list is extremely sad. It's not just the expensive cars, there was about 15 XR2i's on there!
Stop for a minute and think.Do you actually believe that anyone traded in an XJC that was worth saving for £2k?
Same question about the 3.0 CSI?
Neither car would be owned and driven by anyone other than an enthusiast. People who aren't into cars simply don't drive stuff like that. An enthusiast would know what the car was worth.
Also, both are more than capable of being rusted beyond the point where repair is worth the time/effort not least the cost.
Skater12 said:
I talked a couple of people out of part exchanging their cars when i knew they were worth something to someone else.
One particular time came when an elderly chap wanted to PX his MG Maestro. It was mint! I told him that if he gave me 20 minutes i'd have someone come and buy the car from him for at least the same amount as the scrappage scheme would offer, and that way someone else could enjoy the car.
30 minutes later a friend of a friend came screeching onto the forecourt, had a quick look round the car and gave my customer £3k instead of the £2k he thought he'd get.
The result, one very happy customer and one modern classic saved. My boss was less please however and said "we have to do things by the book".
The best scrappage scheme save ever though, was this..
A Landrover dealership, talked a customer out of px'ing their series 1 landie, knowing it'd be crushed.
They chose to genuinely buy the car, not px it.
The series 1 was then used to help train new mechanics and body shop apprentices.
The landie that would have been crushed then became a showroom show-piece and gets taken to events.
Well played, sir One particular time came when an elderly chap wanted to PX his MG Maestro. It was mint! I told him that if he gave me 20 minutes i'd have someone come and buy the car from him for at least the same amount as the scrappage scheme would offer, and that way someone else could enjoy the car.
30 minutes later a friend of a friend came screeching onto the forecourt, had a quick look round the car and gave my customer £3k instead of the £2k he thought he'd get.
The result, one very happy customer and one modern classic saved. My boss was less please however and said "we have to do things by the book".
The best scrappage scheme save ever though, was this..
A Landrover dealership, talked a customer out of px'ing their series 1 landie, knowing it'd be crushed.
They chose to genuinely buy the car, not px it.
The series 1 was then used to help train new mechanics and body shop apprentices.
The landie that would have been crushed then became a showroom show-piece and gets taken to events.
Devil2575 said:
Stop for a minute and think.
Do you actually believe that anyone traded in an XJC that was worth saving for £2k?
Same question about the 3.0 CSI?
Neither car would be owned and driven by anyone other than an enthusiast. People who aren't into cars simply don't drive stuff like that. An enthusiast would know what the car was worth.
Also, both are more than capable of being rusted beyond the point where repair is worth the time/effort not least the cost.
Probably an old duffer who had no idea of its value and just wanted an automatic Hyundai to nip to Sainsburys in. They are about, especially on the south coast.Do you actually believe that anyone traded in an XJC that was worth saving for £2k?
Same question about the 3.0 CSI?
Neither car would be owned and driven by anyone other than an enthusiast. People who aren't into cars simply don't drive stuff like that. An enthusiast would know what the car was worth.
Also, both are more than capable of being rusted beyond the point where repair is worth the time/effort not least the cost.
I've only looked up to the BMWs & there are so many mistakes - eg chassis numbers, spelling mistakes, cars that don't exist (Audi A6 1.0TDi anyone?), what the scrapped car was trade in against etc - I'm not sure that half as many great cars are now washing machines as we think.
Audi have made 6 million models that are 4 wheel drive and can be called a quattro but I doubt that any ur-quattros died via the scrappage scheme - surely breaking them for parts would net you more than £2000? I assume that anything with quattro was either a leggy early TT, 80, 100 or similar, not the end of the world.
How many of us had got rid of a car we loved when it just needed too much work? - the only reason I didn't look at the scrappage scheme is that my Peugeot 106 Quicksilver was a year too new. But when I got rid of it to a well know car buying website it had the following wrong, in no particular order: massive dent to passenger side door & rear wing (worth more than the car in parts alone), cracked HT leads, no radio, rear wash wipe which worked when it wanted or not as was more often, it would aways allow you to engage first gear (interesting at traffic lights on green & oncoming traffic behind you) & I'm sure there was more. I got rid of it whilst I could drive it there & not spend any more money on it, then feel it owed me sometime longer.
I'm amazed there were 11 Austin Metro City X s around to trade in - my dad had one & got shot of it because the rear suspension gave into tin worm, that was at least 10 years if not 15 years earlier. Hateful little car!
Audi have made 6 million models that are 4 wheel drive and can be called a quattro but I doubt that any ur-quattros died via the scrappage scheme - surely breaking them for parts would net you more than £2000? I assume that anything with quattro was either a leggy early TT, 80, 100 or similar, not the end of the world.
How many of us had got rid of a car we loved when it just needed too much work? - the only reason I didn't look at the scrappage scheme is that my Peugeot 106 Quicksilver was a year too new. But when I got rid of it to a well know car buying website it had the following wrong, in no particular order: massive dent to passenger side door & rear wing (worth more than the car in parts alone), cracked HT leads, no radio, rear wash wipe which worked when it wanted or not as was more often, it would aways allow you to engage first gear (interesting at traffic lights on green & oncoming traffic behind you) & I'm sure there was more. I got rid of it whilst I could drive it there & not spend any more money on it, then feel it owed me sometime longer.
I'm amazed there were 11 Austin Metro City X s around to trade in - my dad had one & got shot of it because the rear suspension gave into tin worm, that was at least 10 years if not 15 years earlier. Hateful little car!
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