RE: Scrappage carnage detailed
Discussion
RSD 25 said:
But sadly, i found out 3 BMW M3's lost their lives & most likely all of them E36's though.
Remember though that to many (including the halfwits who were obviously responsible for much of the data entry here) this is the case:M3 badged 316i, otherwise standard = M3
M badge on grille of barried 320d = M3
Chap rolls in in a 328i with tints/zorst/18s but says he drives 'an M3' = M3
If a genuine M3 was scrapped you can be almost guaranteed it needed it.
PtheP said:
Absolute result for my wife's '97 Laguna Estate.107k miles (on the original clutch), with a large dent courtesy of a friends neighbour who wasn't looking when reversing out of her drive. Her husband gave us the estimated repair cost so that was £2700 off the Good Woman's dream Fiat 500 from a car worth maybe £400. 4 years later we got what we paid for the Fiat against a new one......
Bring on another scrappage scheme as I've a sad XJ40 to go
Pretty much the same here, my fiancé scrapped her uber unreliable Peugeot 106 for a Fiat 500, which is still worth £1k less than she paid for it. Bring on another scrappage scheme as I've a sad XJ40 to go
loudlashadjuster said:
Remember though that to many (including the halfwits who were obviously responsible for much of the data entry here) this is the case:
M3 badged 316i, otherwise standard = M3
M badge on grille of barried 320d = M3
Chap rolls in in a 328i with tints/zorst/18s but says he drives 'an M3' = M3
If a genuine M3 was scrapped you can be almost guaranteed it needed it.
I seem to remember ropey ones being available for £2k to £3k a few years ago so it's entirely feasible that M3s got scrapped. At the time the arse had well untruly fallen out of the performance car market. I say that as someone who was trying to sell a very well cared for WRX. Fuel was through the roof, middle of recession nothing was selling...M3 badged 316i, otherwise standard = M3
M badge on grille of barried 320d = M3
Chap rolls in in a 328i with tints/zorst/18s but says he drives 'an M3' = M3
If a genuine M3 was scrapped you can be almost guaranteed it needed it.
We had many woofers through the gates on that scheme. Being an ex MG Rover dealer there were a few that we were happy to sign up. There were a few that were a shame. We convinced a gentleman to sell his Moggy Minor privately as it was in very good nick. He got £3k for it so he called to thank us.
I was teaching my OH to drive at the time and a white VW Polo on an 'R' plate came in. It was mint.
Unused spare and tools, rear seats not sat on, 18,000 on the clock. Would have given £500 on the spot. Scrapped. I think most of us got decent spare tyres from various cars. It's recycling after all.
I was teaching my OH to drive at the time and a white VW Polo on an 'R' plate came in. It was mint.
Unused spare and tools, rear seats not sat on, 18,000 on the clock. Would have given £500 on the spot. Scrapped. I think most of us got decent spare tyres from various cars. It's recycling after all. My dad traded in his Fiat Marea 1.6 16v for some abysmal little Kia thing for his partner to run about in. I know it was only a Fiat Marea and nothing special but it had done 120,000 miles, had recently had a new clutch and was fastidiously maintained, and despite being a Fiat it was even reliable and rust free! It was a shame because it probably had a few years left in it yet!
Going through the list, at least 30x 205 GTis met an early demise and 4x 205 Rallyes! I've seen recent pictures on Facebook of the runway where a lot of the cars were stored and there are still quite a few left, I'll see if I can dig out the pics.
Edit: found them, they are dated 7th September this year, a runway in Bedfordshire somewhere.
Going through the list, at least 30x 205 GTis met an early demise and 4x 205 Rallyes! I've seen recent pictures on Facebook of the runway where a lot of the cars were stored and there are still quite a few left, I'll see if I can dig out the pics.
Edit: found them, they are dated 7th September this year, a runway in Bedfordshire somewhere.
Edited by Garett on Tuesday 30th September 17:23
This killed fast cheap motoring, 66 200sxs on that kist, a load of 300zxs, some fast Mitsubishis, MR2s Celicas etc, all getting very rare now, used to be a time when fast jap cars were everywhere but scrappage killed a lot of them off. The number of landies is criminal, much as there were undoubtedly a number of junkers on there (my brither in law's focus amongst the, we pushed it to the garage believe it or not) there was clearly a lot that could and should have been saved but when people see a deal and its easier than selling to an wnthusiast most people take the easy route. 
Negative Creep said:
But even if they weren't classics a large number of perfectly good cars were destroyed, which hurt those on lower incomes needing a cheap runaround
Used cars are so cheap these days that you can easily pick up good ones for very little. I doubt this even dented the availability of cheap usable cars. After all what is a 9 year old Mondeo worth? £1500?Devil2575 said:
Used cars are so cheap these days that you can easily pick up good ones for very little. I doubt this even dented the availability of cheap usable cars. After all what is a 9 year old Mondeo worth? £1500?
True now, but not back when the scheme was in place. Countless adverts (on Ebay and suchlike) would suggest that they would not take less than £1k or similar due to their car being 'worth' atleast that in the scheme - or indeed to dealers who would supposedly mirror the scheme by offering more than normal for a car taken in part-ex against a used car.It's interesting to see the specific models but it's what anyone most who paid attention to the potential fodder expected back then. People were saying it on here. Apart from the odd strange one (the Morgan for example) it could have been far worse. It's just a shame we lot a lot of good usable cars to the scheme, nevermind the rarities which may never appear on our roads again - regardless as to whether they were 'good' in their own right.
M@1975 said:
This killed fast cheap motoring, 66 200sxs on that list... all getting very rare now, used to be a time when fast jap cars were everywhere but scrappage killed a lot of them off.
Just went to SXOC and searched the forum for "rust": Results 1 to 25 of 415...Those things rust away really badly in the UK climate, it's a fair bet those particular 66 cars were pretty far gone, if you see how rusty some of the ones still on the roads are. It's one thing to take 500 hours to restore a rare Maserati or whatever, quite another on a volume-produced nineties car. Rust killed those cars, scrappage just carted away the dead body.
Kentish said:
Nissan Qashqai.....
The cheapest of these in 2009 would still have been worth £10k minimum & a maximum of just 18 months old!
And 9 ended up in the crusher.
Mad!
It must be a mistake as the cars had to be a minimum of 10 years old and the current owner had to have had it for a minimum of 2 years. The cheapest of these in 2009 would still have been worth £10k minimum & a maximum of just 18 months old!
And 9 ended up in the crusher.
Mad!
More photos here http://rovertech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&...
I guess the only people who could afford new cars, even with £2,000 off, would have been people with classics or people who bought new cars and ran them for years. It was therefore pretty much inevitable that the cars getting scrapped would be mainly cheaper classics or cars that were old but low mileage and well maintained. Those who can only afford a car for around £200 and never maintain it could never have really benefited from the scheme anyway, so the cars that really should have been shuffled off to the scrapheap chugged on in their smokey glory.
I guess the only people who could afford new cars, even with £2,000 off, would have been people with classics or people who bought new cars and ran them for years. It was therefore pretty much inevitable that the cars getting scrapped would be mainly cheaper classics or cars that were old but low mileage and well maintained. Those who can only afford a car for around £200 and never maintain it could never have really benefited from the scheme anyway, so the cars that really should have been shuffled off to the scrapheap chugged on in their smokey glory.
There is quite a lot of nonsense being spoken here.
At the time of the scheme I worked in the sales department of a combined Mazda and Mitsubishi franchise. Contrary to what has been said by some, the scheme was very tightly run and no dealer (at least with any sense) would mess about with how it operated because of the risk of not getting paid if something was not right. We insisted that cars had current MOTs and the cars were not touched when they arrived-they were parked up round the back until the scrap transporter arrived. We also made sure that they were very accurately described in the paper work.
The reality (for our franchises at least) was that the new cars sold through the scheme did not have the usual margins, nor did they count towards qtr targets, therefore the handling fee just about paid for delivery, plates and a PDI. The last thing you wanted was to not receive the £2,000 from the government!
As for the assumption that people with interesting cars know their value, this is not always the case. Admittedly most think their car is worth more than it is, but when cars get older, a surprising number of owners think their car is actually quite worthless (whether they are or not).
There are very few cars that we took in on the scheme that were genuinely bad (perhaps they all bought Hyundai i10s - the cheapest way into a new car?). Most were quite well looked after with quite a few years of life left in them. These who ran 'sheds' were unlikely to suddenly find £15k to buy a new car...
We did have a few interesting old cars who's owners came in on the scheme. One had a mid 90s MX5, fortunately for the car, we were able to put together a better deal through normal channels by lumping in a bit more on the MX5 - this was one of the lucky ones - it received a cosmetic tidy up and now sits in the show room (or at least it did last time I visited).
The mint 200sx swapped against a new RX8 wasn't so lucky. The problem was that cars like that couldn't be given away back in 2009 (recession/fuel prices etc.)
Many decent stuff was scrapped because the £2000 was between trade and retail. Imagine that a solid E36 328 may have retailed for £2,995 back then. Well it would have been worth £1-1.5k in the trade, I.e. lower than the scrappage discount and if they were looking at a cheap car, the margin would not have been their to make up the difference in over allowance. Basically the E36 would have gone to the scrapper and have been replaced by a new Hyundai or similar.
Unfortunately this will have been the fate of many a decent, solid car back then. Also, it had a significant effect on the availability of cheaper used cars. Our trade buyers really ran short of the typical nice clean £1-£3k retail stuff because of the scheme. Many people who relied on a decent supply within this price bracket for their transport needs did face a shortage of nice clean stuff because those cars were owned by the type people who could afford to go and buy something new on scrappage. Instead of a 10 year old car being swapped for a 3 year old car, it was swapped for a new car and then scrapped.
At the time of the scheme I worked in the sales department of a combined Mazda and Mitsubishi franchise. Contrary to what has been said by some, the scheme was very tightly run and no dealer (at least with any sense) would mess about with how it operated because of the risk of not getting paid if something was not right. We insisted that cars had current MOTs and the cars were not touched when they arrived-they were parked up round the back until the scrap transporter arrived. We also made sure that they were very accurately described in the paper work.
The reality (for our franchises at least) was that the new cars sold through the scheme did not have the usual margins, nor did they count towards qtr targets, therefore the handling fee just about paid for delivery, plates and a PDI. The last thing you wanted was to not receive the £2,000 from the government!
As for the assumption that people with interesting cars know their value, this is not always the case. Admittedly most think their car is worth more than it is, but when cars get older, a surprising number of owners think their car is actually quite worthless (whether they are or not).
There are very few cars that we took in on the scheme that were genuinely bad (perhaps they all bought Hyundai i10s - the cheapest way into a new car?). Most were quite well looked after with quite a few years of life left in them. These who ran 'sheds' were unlikely to suddenly find £15k to buy a new car...
We did have a few interesting old cars who's owners came in on the scheme. One had a mid 90s MX5, fortunately for the car, we were able to put together a better deal through normal channels by lumping in a bit more on the MX5 - this was one of the lucky ones - it received a cosmetic tidy up and now sits in the show room (or at least it did last time I visited).
The mint 200sx swapped against a new RX8 wasn't so lucky. The problem was that cars like that couldn't be given away back in 2009 (recession/fuel prices etc.)
Many decent stuff was scrapped because the £2000 was between trade and retail. Imagine that a solid E36 328 may have retailed for £2,995 back then. Well it would have been worth £1-1.5k in the trade, I.e. lower than the scrappage discount and if they were looking at a cheap car, the margin would not have been their to make up the difference in over allowance. Basically the E36 would have gone to the scrapper and have been replaced by a new Hyundai or similar.
Unfortunately this will have been the fate of many a decent, solid car back then. Also, it had a significant effect on the availability of cheaper used cars. Our trade buyers really ran short of the typical nice clean £1-£3k retail stuff because of the scheme. Many people who relied on a decent supply within this price bracket for their transport needs did face a shortage of nice clean stuff because those cars were owned by the type people who could afford to go and buy something new on scrappage. Instead of a 10 year old car being swapped for a 3 year old car, it was swapped for a new car and then scrapped.
I'm sure many decent cars slipped through the net, however I could understand why people would get rid of a bad example of a good car (which I imagine most of them were). Attachment to a car can quickly go out the window when it becomes a troublesome unreliable moneypit. Even more so if it was the owners only car.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff