Last day of the tax disc - post a pic
Discussion
Conscript said:
Firstly, I've seen a lot of people saying they will keep their tax disc as a reminder. Is this necessary? We will all still receive reminders to pay our tax every year wont we? Or do some people just prefer to keep an eye on the expiration date?
Secondly, genuinely interested as to why you think this is a mistake. May I ask why? It seems to me this will reduce costs and make the system much more modern and efficient. I can't think of any practical advantages of being forced to stick a piece of paper in your windscreen.
The advantage of having the disc in the windscreen is that it makes it harder to drive around with cloned number plates.Secondly, genuinely interested as to why you think this is a mistake. May I ask why? It seems to me this will reduce costs and make the system much more modern and efficient. I can't think of any practical advantages of being forced to stick a piece of paper in your windscreen.
I started a thread here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Although no-one else seems overly concerned.
marked1 said:
I applied for a tax disc 2 weeks ago online and it came on normal A4 paper. I thought it was a fake at first as you actually had to cut around the disc as apposed to tearing it off but the letter goes on to say "that DVLA has run down its pre existing stocks to ensure that there was no wastage. To give value for money to the tax payer we have not replenished our stocks for this short period but decided to print these in house".
Probably actually worth holding on to if you didn't cut them out, you know what collectors are like with s
t that is rare nostalgic and unusual
JimSuperSix said:
Seems quite clear to me:
"From 1 October 2014, the paper tax disc will no longer need to be displayed on a vehicle. If you have a tax disc with any months left to run after this date, then it can be removed from the vehicle and destroyed"
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-cha...
Whilst that particular part of the rule is fairly clear, there's a whole heap of things that aren't so crystal clear."From 1 October 2014, the paper tax disc will no longer need to be displayed on a vehicle. If you have a tax disc with any months left to run after this date, then it can be removed from the vehicle and destroyed"
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-cha...
Conscript said:
Secondly, genuinely interested as to why you think this is a mistake. May I ask why? It seems to me this will reduce costs and make the system much more modern and efficient. I can't think of any practical advantages of being forced to stick a piece of paper in your windscreen.
I'd actually have gone the other way... I'd like to see it made compulsory to show proof of MOT and Insurance in the windscreen as well, the same as they do in France.The reason I think it's a mistake is that there are far too many people driving around with no tax already... I should imagine a great number of them are caught by bobbies on the beat / traffic wardens noticing that there's no current disc in the window and going from there.
If there is no need for a disc in the window then there's no outward way of telling whether a car is taxed or not...
If everyone was completely honest and legal then I agree it's progress, unfortunately life is not that idyllic and I should imagine that those who dodge car tax currently will be laughing and many more will now start to dodge it as the risk of getting caught is pretty much non-existant now.
K50 DEL said:
If everyone was completely honest and legal then I agree it's progress, unfortunately life is not that idyllic and I should imagine that those who dodge car tax currently will be laughing and many more will now start to dodge it as the risk of getting caught is pretty much non-existant now.
That's not true though, is it? All a tax evader has to do is to pass a static ANPR camera (of which I'm led to believe are in abundance on our road network) or a police patrol car (which I think are fitted with systems which can immediately flag up cars with no tax/insurance records) to be caught out. I'd wager that bobbies on the beat checking tax discs of cars they pass probably accounts for very few evaders getting caught and that the benefits of removing it outweigh any potential disadvantage.Conscript said:
K50 DEL said:
If everyone was completely honest and legal then I agree it's progress, unfortunately life is not that idyllic and I should imagine that those who dodge car tax currently will be laughing and many more will now start to dodge it as the risk of getting caught is pretty much non-existant now.
That's not true though, is it? All a tax evader has to do is to pass a static ANPR camera (of which I'm led to believe are in abundance on our road network) or a police patrol car (which I think are fitted with systems which can immediately flag up cars with no tax/insurance records) to be caught out. I'd wager that bobbies on the beat checking tax discs of cars they pass probably accounts for very few evaders getting caught and that the benefits of removing it outweigh any potential disadvantage.Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
K50 DEL said:
That may well be true for those who live in cities or large towns, but I've never even seen an ANPR device and I reckon I've seen no more than 2 police cars in my time at home in the UK.
Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
Fair enough. I guess I live in an area where you're unlikely not to pass one fairly regularly - it's certainly more likely than having a police officer on foot looking in your windscreen here Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
Conscript said:
Welshbeef said:
Lol you do realise its from the 1/10 not 30/9 so if you don't put it back and get caught today points and fine coming to you...
You do realise there's no points for failing to display a tax disc? And even in the incredibly unlikely chance that he does get pulled up for it, I think you'd be extremely unlucky if you got more than a stern talking to. K50 DEL said:
That may well be true for those who live in cities or large towns, but I've never even seen an ANPR device and I reckon I've seen no more than 2 police cars in my time at home in the UK.
Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
Most major routes are connected to the ANPR network somewhere, as are many large car parks at things like shopping centres. You'll pass them all the time without realising. However, VEL records on the PNC are apparently extremely patchy at best. I recall my mate (a serving officer) mentioning that there was a cost to access the tax record which most forces don't pay.Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
Baryonyx said:
K50 DEL said:
That may well be true for those who live in cities or large towns, but I've never even seen an ANPR device and I reckon I've seen no more than 2 police cars in my time at home in the UK.
Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
Most major routes are connected to the ANPR network somewhere, as are many large car parks at things like shopping centres. You'll pass them all the time without realising. However, VEL records on the PNC are apparently extremely patchy at best. I recall my mate (a serving officer) mentioning that there was a cost to access the tax record which most forces don't pay.Where I live, bobbies on the beat and local citizens reporting people for no tax would make up 90% of those caught I should imagine.
Baryonyx said:
mgtony said:
ANPR isn't going to be much use if someone has put on a set of number plates from an identical car.
True, but what is the relevance of this statement?Welcome to "policing by database"...
Whether said databases are "live" or previously downloaded from the main database is one question; another question is how recent/up to date the "previously downloaded" data is (it might be hours, it can be days, one poster on this forum indicated it can be a couple of weeks old once
).
We have CIE using regular data matching exercises, and keepers whose cars' "tax" runs out and they don't SORN get caught on regular (used to be monthly, it probably still is) data matching exercises as well. This won't change.
I doubt the mobile ANPR in police cars etc will use any more live data than now, either, for cost reasons (to upgrade such as MID to allow "live access" would cost an unjustifiable fortune, for example).
No change at all, really, to the status quo.
So, copying the registration mark from a legitimate car of a common make and model and using moody number plates with this registration mark on a dodgy 'un still has to be the way forward for responsibility-free motoring
, which is a most unfortunate consequence of the direction traffic policing has gone over the past decade 
.
Whether said databases are "live" or previously downloaded from the main database is one question; another question is how recent/up to date the "previously downloaded" data is (it might be hours, it can be days, one poster on this forum indicated it can be a couple of weeks old once
).We have CIE using regular data matching exercises, and keepers whose cars' "tax" runs out and they don't SORN get caught on regular (used to be monthly, it probably still is) data matching exercises as well. This won't change.
I doubt the mobile ANPR in police cars etc will use any more live data than now, either, for cost reasons (to upgrade such as MID to allow "live access" would cost an unjustifiable fortune, for example).
No change at all, really, to the status quo.
So, copying the registration mark from a legitimate car of a common make and model and using moody number plates with this registration mark on a dodgy 'un still has to be the way forward for responsibility-free motoring
, which is a most unfortunate consequence of the direction traffic policing has gone over the past decade .knight said:
I'll still need a tax disc holder as I use it to display work parking passes, at the moment I have four for one car! Although I don't need to display all four at the same time! 
My local Post Office has them on offer. They are now down to 75p. If you need directions etc let me know.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff