RE: Peugeot 208 GTI 30th - details

[DirtyIrish]

V8 FOU said:

Dare one mention the size and weight of this compared to a 205GTi?
They certainly haven't....

Seriously you're writing that? You can't compare cars from the early / mid eighties to cars nowadays that have to adhere to all sorts of European legislation and NCAP safety conditions.
Most if not all will be fatter / heavier compared to their equivalents from 30+ years ago...

[s m]

V8 FOU said:

Dare one mention the size and weight of this compared to a 205GTi?
They certainly haven't....

I would imagine the 208 will be around 250-300kg heavier and around 6 seconds faster to 100

[Boydie88]

DirtyIrish said:

V8 FOU said:

Dare one mention the size and weight of this compared to a 205GTi?
They certainly haven't....

Seriously you're writing that? You can't compare cars from the early / mid eighties to cars nowadays that have to adhere to all sorts of European legislation and NCAP safety conditions.
Most if not all will be fatter / heavier compared to their equivalents from 30+ years ago...

This. Can't word how stupid it is to attempt to compare cars 30 years apart given the changes in safety requirements, this gif sums it up though...

[MustardCutter]

Needs two more exhaust tips.

[idibbers]

What a cool hatch, shame they're only bringing 100 to the UK though.

Edited by idibbers on Wednesday 1st October 10:37

[E65Ross]

j_s14a said:

220 lb/ft in a small hatch, with an LSD, manual gearbox and decent brakes, and still people are complaining?

Pay attention RenaultSport, this is what the Clio should have been.

You can get that much torque from a small weedy diesel, you know.

[Raman Kandola]

Blayney said:

Rally it, then bring out a widebody version. Please. In fact can Citroen, Ford and Hyundai do the same please?

+1

Although not a really usualy a fan of small wide cars, must say i dont mind the clios but think this would look alot better than the clios with a widebody if it had one!

[j_s14a]

E65Ross said:

You can get that much torque from a small weedy diesel, you know.

For about 1/10th of a second, then it's time to change gear. I was making the assumption that people on here would understand the differences between petrol and diesels.

[V8 FOU]

DirtyIrish said:

Seriously you're writing that? You can't compare cars from the early / mid eighties to cars nowadays that have to adhere to all sorts of European legislation and NCAP safety conditions.
Most if not all will be fatter / heavier compared to their equivalents from 30+ years ago...

So what would be so wrong with a lightweight version?? Oh, of course, it's a "modern" car etc. ad nauseam...

Hmmm... someone ought to tell Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin etc that their cars aren't "modern" in the lightweight versions.

All manufacturers are acknowledging that they need to reduce weight.

So, one of these with no a/c, no back seat or a thin one, lightweight wheels and brakes, less soundproofing, manual steering. There, 200kg lost. Please form a queue. Oh, so you really don't want a modern car in the idiom of and eighties icon? ah well.

[Galileo]

A whole eight BHP increase! Gosh.

[zeppelin101]

V8 FOU said:

So what would be so wrong with a lightweight version?? Oh, of course, it's a "modern" car etc. ad nauseam...

Hmmm... someone ought to tell Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin etc that their cars aren't "modern" in the lightweight versions.

All manufacturers are acknowledging that they need to reduce weight.

So, one of these with no a/c, no back seat or a thin one, lightweight wheels and brakes, less soundproofing, manual steering. There, 200kg lost. Please form a queue. Oh, so you really don't want a modern car in the idiom of and eighties icon? ah well.

Yes, I'm sure there are 10s of thousands of people who want to buy a family hatchback which can't actually carry the family, or means they all arrive deaf on arrival at their destination.

Lightweight specials (i.e. a gutted out version of an already available car) do not belong in the family hatch segment. Which is why the only people who have done it recently have been Renault, with limited success.

[Ved]

Great advert and from the spec at least it's a competent little hatchback. Well done. I'll never ever buy it.

[xRIEx]

V8 FOU said:

DirtyIrish said:

Seriously you're writing that? You can't compare cars from the early / mid eighties to cars nowadays that have to adhere to all sorts of European legislation and NCAP safety conditions.
Most if not all will be fatter / heavier compared to their equivalents from 30+ years ago...

So what would be so wrong with a lightweight version?? Oh, of course, it's a "modern" car etc. ad nauseam...

Hmmm... someone ought to tell Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin etc that their cars aren't "modern" in the lightweight versions.

All manufacturers are acknowledging that they need to reduce weight.

So, one of these with no a/c, no back seat or a thin one, lightweight wheels and brakes, less soundproofing, manual steering. There, 200kg lost. Please form a queue. Oh, so you really don't want a modern car in the idiom of and eighties icon? ah well.

So we've moved on from "secondhand car is cheaper than new car" to "Honda aren't keeping up with Ferrari, pah! What is the world coming to?!"

No A/C - not a major selling point to the majority of the car-buying public
No back seat - major detractor to the majority of the car-buying public
Lightweight wheels and brakes - the cost was complained about above, adding lightweight wheels and ceramic brakes is going to add a good few grand to the price

 *MotC-BP in bold to try to remind you that PH is not representative of the UK market - in fact it's probably the opposite.

[ajh38]

I would love one of these in that exact colour combination.

I really rate the standard 208 GTi, the only downside I can see is a harsher ride due to the 18 inch wheels. One of the things I found appealing about the it was that for most of the time it was a nice compliant car then a the drop of a hat you could take it by the scruff of the kneck. Just what a GTi should be.

[E65Ross]

j_s14a said:

E65Ross said:

You can get that much torque from a small weedy diesel, you know.

For about 1/10th of a second, then it's time to change gear. I was making the assumption that people on here would understand the differences between petrol and diesels.

And I was making the assumption people on here should know that quoting a peak torque figure alone provides literally no indication of performance my comment was a little tongue in cheek but it's still relevant.

[ds2000]

That colour is vile but the advert is pretty decent

[GTEYE]

I can't imagine there will be much of a queue with paint like that, even for only 100.

Real killer for me is the ridiculous steering wheel/instruments problem.

Idiotic, epic fail.

[muppet42]

Everyone just forgotten about the 306 GTi-6 then? Never driven one (or indeed a 205 GTi) but I seem to remember folk banging on about that being a pretty decent steer and it was a decade after the 205.

Auch well, I like the look of this - kind of like a road-going liveried rally special without all the sponsor decals attached

[thiscocks]

Special edition worthy of the special edition title. Looks and sounds nice. Look forward to the 208-R

[ally_f]

xRIEx said:

So we've moved on from "secondhand car is cheaper than new car" to "Honda aren't keeping up with Ferrari, pah! What is the world coming to?!"

No A/C - not a major selling point to the majority of the car-buying public
No back seat - major detractor to the majority of the car-buying public
Lightweight wheels and brakes - the cost was complained about above, adding lightweight wheels and ceramic brakes is going to add a good few grand to the price

 *MotC-BP in bold to try to remind you that PH is not representative of the UK market - in fact it's probably the opposite.

This man speaks a lot of sense! Hopefully these changes will give it more traction and even sharper handling without runing the ride - hot hatches are for hustling along the road and getting you home afterwards without doing your back in, not just for batting round perfectly smooth race tracks after all.