Using Gran Turismo to help decide on car!
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I am not trolling, honest 
I did this last night after waiting 3 hours for the bloody thing to update. Wife was out so decided to have a rare night on the playstation when it occurred to me that 5 of the 6 cars I'm considering next month are in the game. Just wondering weather what I felt driving them back to back on the same track has even a tiny amount of relevance to the real world.
These were the cars:
Golf GTI mark V
Audi S3 02plate
Focus ST 05
Alfa GT 3.2v6 as I need rear seats.
BMW M3 E46 (if I manage to grow a pair regarding running costs)
The one that wasn't on there was the Corrado VR6, which is at the top of my list at the minute.
The BMW obviously was quickest by 5 seconds at 1.065 minutes and was the most lively and enjoyable to drive with turn in being far better than all of them, due to the RWD. But as for the other 4...
The Audi just under steered a lot, but seemed to have a better throttle response than the GTI or ST. It was also the slowest, but only by half a second, and gave out the most tire squeal.
The Focus sounded the best even by gran turismo's rubbish sound quality. Was quicker in a straight line and turn in was better than expected. There was nothing in it in terms of times between it and the GTI. For some reason it doesn't look agile but actually was.
The Golf was the best all rounder out of the FWD cars, it had the best turn in and was the one that I got the most consistent lap times out of. Was easier to drift as well.
The Alfa surprised me, as although it has the straight line speed I thought It would let itself down badly in the corners, which to some extent it did. But I got a faster lap out of it than both the ST and Focus, but the lap times were very inconsistent as when I pushed it, it just wanted to plough straight on. Patience was the key.
That concludes probably the most anal post I've ever written. If your bored enough at work and have driven any of these cars, Is there any relevance or not?
I did this last night after waiting 3 hours for the bloody thing to update. Wife was out so decided to have a rare night on the playstation when it occurred to me that 5 of the 6 cars I'm considering next month are in the game. Just wondering weather what I felt driving them back to back on the same track has even a tiny amount of relevance to the real world.
These were the cars:
Golf GTI mark V
Audi S3 02plate
Focus ST 05
Alfa GT 3.2v6 as I need rear seats.
BMW M3 E46 (if I manage to grow a pair regarding running costs)
The one that wasn't on there was the Corrado VR6, which is at the top of my list at the minute.
The BMW obviously was quickest by 5 seconds at 1.065 minutes and was the most lively and enjoyable to drive with turn in being far better than all of them, due to the RWD. But as for the other 4...
The Audi just under steered a lot, but seemed to have a better throttle response than the GTI or ST. It was also the slowest, but only by half a second, and gave out the most tire squeal.
The Focus sounded the best even by gran turismo's rubbish sound quality. Was quicker in a straight line and turn in was better than expected. There was nothing in it in terms of times between it and the GTI. For some reason it doesn't look agile but actually was.
The Golf was the best all rounder out of the FWD cars, it had the best turn in and was the one that I got the most consistent lap times out of. Was easier to drift as well.
The Alfa surprised me, as although it has the straight line speed I thought It would let itself down badly in the corners, which to some extent it did. But I got a faster lap out of it than both the ST and Focus, but the lap times were very inconsistent as when I pushed it, it just wanted to plough straight on. Patience was the key.
That concludes probably the most anal post I've ever written. If your bored enough at work and have driven any of these cars, Is there any relevance or not?
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Relevant? Only if how a car behaves at 100mph+ on a race track is a serious consideration for you. Enjoy your little thought experiment but I'd say you're kidding yourself if you pretend you're learning anything worth knowing. At the end of the day, out of those cars, I'd expect you'll be choosing on image, level of driver engagement at realistic driving speeds, reliability, costs, interior quality and handling on track last of all as a fanciful afterthought.
I assume you've seen that top gear episode where JC does this with the NSX.
I assume you've seen that top gear episode where JC does this with the NSX.
After my brother failing his frist driving test he spent hours on grand theft auto in misery. Think you two would get along!
But in all seriousness although gt is a simulation driving game theres just too much in a real car drive that you just dont get in the game e.g. although a car maybe quick in the game, does it FEEL quick when you drive it, how well its built etc The list is endless
But in all seriousness although gt is a simulation driving game theres just too much in a real car drive that you just dont get in the game e.g. although a car maybe quick in the game, does it FEEL quick when you drive it, how well its built etc The list is endless
Due to a lack of any sense of speed, everything FWD will tend to feel like it understeers in simulations, as you will just push it until it loses traction, and there you go, understeer. In real life, you wouldn't push it to such a level and the nuances of how it behaves in 'normal' conditions would require a pretty serious amount of effort to notice. If you're not using a decent force feedback wheel, you're really likely to be wasting your time. It was probably fun though 
Warnie said:
Even over a corrado VR6? The corrado should hold it's value if not rise a little. I'm wondering how low the Golf will depreciate to though.
Umm, yes?Golf is
Faster
More Economical
More Reliable
Better handling
More Spacious
and is widely renowned as one of the best Hot Hatches of our generation
Corrado is a nice car, being a dub nut. I know that. But I wouldn't buy one!
However if you want one..
xjay1337 said:
Warnie said:
Even over a corrado VR6? The corrado should hold it's value if not rise a little. I'm wondering how low the Golf will depreciate to though.
Umm, yes?Golf is
Faster
More Economical
More Reliable
Better handling
More Spacious
and is widely renowned as one of the best Hot Hatches of our generation
Corrado is a nice car, being a dub nut. I know that. But I wouldn't buy one!
However if you want one..
First experience I drove a stock hawkeye Sti in real life and in GT5, the game provides a good experience of the car, looks wise and I also noticed how accurate the speed at which I changed gear was, up to the redline in 2, 3, and 4th seemed to be the same mph. However there's just so much more to driving a car in real life, the weight and forces involved, it had a very planted feel in real life too.
Since then i've also driven a focus ST-3 and a new hatchback style impreza STI ingame and real life, again they give some feel to what the car will be like but just don't compare with no sense of force being pushed back in your seat or around corners etc.
Since then i've also driven a focus ST-3 and a new hatchback style impreza STI ingame and real life, again they give some feel to what the car will be like but just don't compare with no sense of force being pushed back in your seat or around corners etc.
missing the VR6 said:
Sorry dear boy but a MK5 Golf GTI is not faster than a Corrado VR6, if memory serves it's about half a second slower to 60 than the Corrado. The VR6 is still quick by todays standards , I'd suggest if the M3 is out of reach then a good Corrado will give many a happy mile. I had mine while I worked at Mazda, and had RX8's, MX5's, Mazda 6 MPS and MPS 3's as company cars, apart from the Aero kitted MPS 3 I enjoyed the VR6 more. What was meant to be a weekend toy got used far more often than that.
Not sure if I agree with you. Whilst working as a VW salesman, I also ran a VR6. The Mk5 Golf GTI has so much more torque, has traction control and a higher top speed (although to be fair, traction was never a massive issue with the VR6 and it was loads cooler). I think my mk5 GT TDI (140) was a match if not quicker than the VR6 in most everyday situations too (obviously the VR6 was quicker at the top end and if you really wrung its neck out). Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff