RE: Audi RS6: PH Fleet
Discussion
E65Ross said:
Not 100% sure about that; the Audi may be faster but to say it wouldn't see which way it went....hmmmm. Do please remember that around a wet top gear track the Audi RS5 with its amazing quattro system and all-weather usability was indeed slower than the dangerous, slow RWD M3.....
As the former owner of an RS5 I can assure you that the RS6 is leagues apart. I test drove the RS6, got back in my RS5 and remarked urgh. The RS6 might be £20k more but it's easy to see where that money went.I would also suggest that having a professional racing driver at the wheel would have influenced the outcome. In the hands of someone like me the result would likely have been reversed.
E65Ross said:
Schermerhorn said:
Complete rockets.In the wet, an M5 wouldn't see which way this thing went, they are ballistic.
Not 100% sure about that; the Audi may be faster but to say it wouldn't see which way it went....hmmmm. Do please remember that around a wet top gear track the Audi RS5 with its amazing quattro system and all-weather usability was indeed slower than the dangerous, slow RWD M3.....I tested the C7 RS6 last year, finding it not as relaxing as the C6 when commuting, but Audi had clearly improved the driving experience to make it feel more urgent and alive when pushing on, so it doesn't surprise me that the author is singing its praises with such enthusiasm.
Regarding "other cars in the garage", the RS6 wasn't my only car, so I was able to enjoy a more visceral experience from those, hence not needing it to be a seat-of-the-pants sports car.
Some of the bizarre decisions Audi have taken over engines for the various RS models hasn't helped comparisons. The RS4/5 approach of a high revving na V8 vs the twin turbo V8, or V10 of old, are so different in character as to make direct comparisons a bit redundant.
I really don't understand the current RS4 in the Audi range, although can see why people would buy it if it happened to fit their needs precisely and an M3 wagon was what they really wanted.
I really don't understand the current RS4 in the Audi range, although can see why people would buy it if it happened to fit their needs precisely and an M3 wagon was what they really wanted.
E65Ross said:
Not 100% sure about that; the Audi may be faster but to say it wouldn't see which way it went....hmmmm. Do please remember that around a wet top gear track the Audi RS5 with its amazing quattro system and all-weather usability was indeed slower than the dangerous, slow RWD M3.....
Sounds like an anomoly there. I'm sure you'll agree that in wet,slippery conditions AWD will give a faster lap than RWD 99% of the time(given similar weights and power outputs etc.)
I remember watching Morbidelli lap the entire field in his Audi RS5 at a very wet Donnington a couple of years ago in the Superstars series. Even the commentators were saying it was a strong advertisement for the advantages of AWD. The RS5's dominated a wet Spa the same year.
A couple of year back, Autocar published a list of the fastest time they have ever recorded around their wet and dry handling circuits.I'm pretty sure Audi RS models occupied quite a few places in the the top ten fastest laps they had ever recorded around the wet handling circuit. If anybody can find the list I'd be interested to see it again.
Edited by Maldini35 on Friday 3rd October 22:37
Edited by Maldini35 on Friday 3rd October 22:38
audidoody said:
With real-world speeds , road surfaces and traffic conditions, isn't having one of these a bit like having £65,000 in the bank you can never spend? A 2.0TDI Avant would probably beat it to the SoFrance with fewer fuel stops.
I would'nt make it to the port in the TDi my will to live would have left me with boredom forcing me to drive into something to inject some excitement into itthe RS is bloody hysterical, warp speed every time the slightest breath hits the loud pedal, and i doubt i would get bored blipping it traffic lights
scherzkeks said:
E65Ross said:
Do please remember that around a wet top gear track the Audi RS5 with its amazing quattro system and all-weather usability was indeed slower than the dangerous, slow RWD M3.....
It is also 370 lbs. heavier and with AWD DT losses, no more powerful.I'm not saying the M5 would be faster. I'm saying that stating "it wouldn't see which was a RS6 went" is perhaps pushing it a bit.
Oh, the RS5 isn't that much heavier than the M3.
Edited by E65Ross on Thursday 2nd October 12:09
E65Ross said:
And the M5 is lighter (just) and the RS6 is no more powerful. Do you think the weight penalty of the rs5 slowed it down so much that I went from being so much faster to actually being slower?
I'm not saying the M5 would be faster. I'm saying that stating "it wouldn't see which was a RS6 went" is perhaps pushing it a bit.
Oh, the RS5 isn't that much heavier than the M3.
Well, nearly 400 lbs. certainly makes for a difference on a track, and we don't know what drive config. the driver preferred or what role the tires played for the TG test. I'm not saying the M5 would be faster. I'm saying that stating "it wouldn't see which was a RS6 went" is perhaps pushing it a bit.
Oh, the RS5 isn't that much heavier than the M3.
Edited by E65Ross on Thursday 2nd October 12:09
I think the RS6 would generally be faster on a wet B road, yes, but with modern traction control and an LSD on the M5, I agree the above statement may pushing it.
scherzkeks said:
Well, nearly 400 lbs. certainly makes for a difference on a track, and we don't know what drive config. the driver preferred or what role the tires played for the TG test.
I think the RS6 would generally be faster on a wet B road, yes, but with modern traction control and an LSD on the M5, I agree the above statement may pushing it.
1655kgs for the M3 and 1725kgs for the RS5.... So around 1/2 the difference you've got...? I think the RS6 would generally be faster on a wet B road, yes, but with modern traction control and an LSD on the M5, I agree the above statement may pushing it.
I still agree the RS6 would be quicker but as you say, the M5 would certainly see which way it went....
"Well the M5 simply isn't a choice for me because I always like my very, very fast everyday car to be an estate. Not everyone is in the same position, but the overlap between practical duties and irritating 911s is too fun to ignore. That's before you've considered mountain bikes, cameramen and all the other things this car handles on a daily basis."
Oh yes, i agree! Who needs an F10 M5 anyway!
Oh yes, i agree! Who needs an F10 M5 anyway!
DannyB2007 said:
"Well the M5 simply isn't a choice for me because I always like my very, very fast everyday car to be an estate. Not everyone is in the same position, but the overlap between practical duties and irritating 911s is too fun to ignore. That's before you've considered mountain bikes, cameramen and all the other things this car handles on a daily basis."
Oh yes, i agree! Who needs an F10 M5 anyway!
Beautiful, and my M5 is missed. But sadly it was truly diabolical in the winter, so I'm warming to an RS6 as the next family/dog wagon.Oh yes, i agree! Who needs an F10 M5 anyway!
gizlaroc said:
Wills2 said:
I think your numbers are a bit high a base RS6 would be £5326 BIK annually at 20% rate or £10,653 at 40%.
So someone in the 20% bracket would be bought an RS6 compnay car? A company paying someone £3300 a month isn't going to offer a lease car for £1100, or 1/3 of their salary, imho.
£10650 is with no fuel allowance, there is no way someone taking that as a company car would not have the fuel allowance for £200 a month, even doing 12k miles a year and managing 25mpg it makes sense to let the company supply fuel.
drybeer said:
Wills2 said:
I think your numbers are a bit high a base RS6 would be £5326 BIK annually at 20% rate or £10,653 at 40%.
Who on earth paying the 20% tax rate would be having an RS6 company car?!?No one!
PS for a 40% tax payer, with a £99k RS6 the liability would be between £1150 and £1225 pcm, hence why this is a car you buy privately.
Wills2 said:
gizlaroc said:
Wills2 said:
I think your numbers are a bit high a base RS6 would be £5326 BIK annually at 20% rate or £10,653 at 40%.
So someone in the 20% bracket would be bought an RS6 compnay car? A company paying someone £3300 a month isn't going to offer a lease car for £1100, or 1/3 of their salary, imho.
£10650 is with no fuel allowance, there is no way someone taking that as a company car would not have the fuel allowance for £200 a month, even doing 12k miles a year and managing 25mpg it makes sense to let the company supply fuel.
That was including fuel, and to be fair it was based on an RS7 sportback as Audi have forgotten to include the A6 range in their co car tax calculator.
I'm not sure the value of the RS7 vs the RS6 but presume they are similar?
It doesn't say and prices on the UK site for any A6 model, all says TBC??
I wasn't doing any serious figures, I was simply saying that I didn't agree that RS6s will be bought as company cars only, doubt more than a few percent would be company cars as it makes no sense to do so.
Couldn't agree more on the write up. I have mine for 2 weeks, and 2000 miles in. It's just fantastic.
I've had the usual comments of 'expensive A6 estate'. But look and analyse the entire car. There are little parts actually the same as the A6? Most body panels are unique, all the drivetrain is unique, the engine is unique, the brakes are unique. The seats are unique! The MMI and some interior panels are the same. But essentially it's a reworked A6 concept.
Anyway, I love it. It's an awesome everyday fast family car. It has massive potential in it for more power. I have the air suspension and it rides perfectly. The gearbox is slick is in comfort. Flip it into dynamic and it all goes a bit nuts.
Fastest thing on earth? No. For pure brutality I love my old Brabus AMG with Weistec supercharger (700bhp). For all rounder that is suprisingly economical for what it is (29MPG) on long runs on our stupidly restricted roads (50mph average speed everywhere...).
The 4 cylinder mode works, but sometimes is a bit jerky on the switchover.
Am I pleased? Yes! Is it leased? No!
I've had the usual comments of 'expensive A6 estate'. But look and analyse the entire car. There are little parts actually the same as the A6? Most body panels are unique, all the drivetrain is unique, the engine is unique, the brakes are unique. The seats are unique! The MMI and some interior panels are the same. But essentially it's a reworked A6 concept.
Anyway, I love it. It's an awesome everyday fast family car. It has massive potential in it for more power. I have the air suspension and it rides perfectly. The gearbox is slick is in comfort. Flip it into dynamic and it all goes a bit nuts.
Fastest thing on earth? No. For pure brutality I love my old Brabus AMG with Weistec supercharger (700bhp). For all rounder that is suprisingly economical for what it is (29MPG) on long runs on our stupidly restricted roads (50mph average speed everywhere...).
The 4 cylinder mode works, but sometimes is a bit jerky on the switchover.
Am I pleased? Yes! Is it leased? No!
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