RE: Audi RS6: PH Fleet
Discussion
It does make me smile,all the negativity that people have towards ownership of anything thats better than what they own. !!! Yes i do own a c7 rs6 and am on the verge of p/xing itagainst a new one,is it leased/financed/pcp etc.. Ans : No its my own greenbacks,Why ? because nothing out there can compete with it on all the different levels you can think of .Have I /do I own ferrari,lambo etc at the same time ,Ans not at the moment.but have had a my fair share. Why , Ans Because the audis so good.
In the real world it will destroy any Labo,Ferrari etc over normal Uk road conditions.The fear of the super car driver that it might get a few nasty scratches or worse when pushing along being one of the reasons.The grip is absurd,it just should not be possible to drive a car this weight/size this hard.comfort levels are superb,build quality is as good as anything else,You Can use it to do the shopping,it doubles as a small commercial if you need it,Fuel econ is not too bad if your gentle on the pedal.(got to admit. it drinks it when you open the taps,ive seen 4mpg !!!!!).anyone who sais it doesnt have the looks/road prescence should have gone to Specsavers !!!!!!!! .So is it the fastest,the best looking,the most luxurious etc etc.......... Ans NO,but its very good at most of all the exciting things/feelings you get from using your £200k exotica,during the couple of hours a week you get a chance to use it!! ,but...., more importantly.its very good at alot of the other things that make up the majority of your car usage.on a day to day basis.
For me thats what makes this small clan of hyper performance load luggers worth every penny. You find that the trip to pick up the kids from some party somewhere/being the family taxi becomes an opportunity to have fun rather than just a chaw ! theres no way the ferraris getting the cover pulled off and taken outa the garage at midnight on a drizzling cold Nov sat night !
Which to choose between the very small group of cars in this class ,BMW, Mercedes,Maseratti , porsche ...... the fact is there all brilliant in different ways,so I say try them all !!
£100 K for Chris's car,well I reckon £85k is more representative of the average cost of one,still alot of money but what else ,can do all these things for that amount of money.Depreciation isnt that bad when you consider it as a percentage of the cost, Look what happens to the value of a 2 yr £20/30k everyday family bus !!!
I think the futures bleak for all performance vehicles,there will be no point in having anything faster than the national speed limit,the black box in the car will automatically report you to big brother etc ctc.. So for now rejoice in the fact you can have cars with crazy power and motorsport levels of handling at this level of affordable cost,there just will be no point for a manufacturer. The Hypercar market will probably be there because at this level, cost is not the issue.So my advice is that every red blooded person who has even the slightest whiff pf interest in things petrolhead should own one of these cars whilst you still can.Spend the kids inheritance,they will understand !!
In the real world it will destroy any Labo,Ferrari etc over normal Uk road conditions.The fear of the super car driver that it might get a few nasty scratches or worse when pushing along being one of the reasons.The grip is absurd,it just should not be possible to drive a car this weight/size this hard.comfort levels are superb,build quality is as good as anything else,You Can use it to do the shopping,it doubles as a small commercial if you need it,Fuel econ is not too bad if your gentle on the pedal.(got to admit. it drinks it when you open the taps,ive seen 4mpg !!!!!).anyone who sais it doesnt have the looks/road prescence should have gone to Specsavers !!!!!!!! .So is it the fastest,the best looking,the most luxurious etc etc.......... Ans NO,but its very good at most of all the exciting things/feelings you get from using your £200k exotica,during the couple of hours a week you get a chance to use it!! ,but...., more importantly.its very good at alot of the other things that make up the majority of your car usage.on a day to day basis.
For me thats what makes this small clan of hyper performance load luggers worth every penny. You find that the trip to pick up the kids from some party somewhere/being the family taxi becomes an opportunity to have fun rather than just a chaw ! theres no way the ferraris getting the cover pulled off and taken outa the garage at midnight on a drizzling cold Nov sat night !
Which to choose between the very small group of cars in this class ,BMW, Mercedes,Maseratti , porsche ...... the fact is there all brilliant in different ways,so I say try them all !!
£100 K for Chris's car,well I reckon £85k is more representative of the average cost of one,still alot of money but what else ,can do all these things for that amount of money.Depreciation isnt that bad when you consider it as a percentage of the cost, Look what happens to the value of a 2 yr £20/30k everyday family bus !!!
I think the futures bleak for all performance vehicles,there will be no point in having anything faster than the national speed limit,the black box in the car will automatically report you to big brother etc ctc.. So for now rejoice in the fact you can have cars with crazy power and motorsport levels of handling at this level of affordable cost,there just will be no point for a manufacturer. The Hypercar market will probably be there because at this level, cost is not the issue.So my advice is that every red blooded person who has even the slightest whiff pf interest in things petrolhead should own one of these cars whilst you still can.Spend the kids inheritance,they will understand !!
scherzkeks said:
E65Ross said:
Do please remember that around a wet top gear track the Audi RS5 with its amazing quattro system and all-weather usability was indeed slower than the dangerous, slow RWD M3.....
It is also 370 lbs. heavier and with AWD DT losses, no more powerful.Oso said:
I don’t think it’s like Audi don’t know how to do steering – it’s just that by choice the cars leave the factory optimised for stability at autobahn speeds and to understeer at the limit.
You can do something about the steering feel issue – even within the scope of the Audi recommendations – by taking off some front and rear toe and reducing the rear negative camber. That does a lot to improve turn-in response and feedback.
I don't think changing geometry will improve the steering feel - that's surely more to do with internal friction, bushes, tyre choice etc?You can do something about the steering feel issue – even within the scope of the Audi recommendations – by taking off some front and rear toe and reducing the rear negative camber. That does a lot to improve turn-in response and feedback.
nickfrog said:
scherzkeks said:
E65Ross said:
Do please remember that around a wet top gear track the Audi RS5 with its amazing quattro system and all-weather usability was indeed slower than the dangerous, slow RWD M3.....
It is also 370 lbs. heavier and with AWD DT losses, no more powerful.Escort3500 said:
Fail to see why 4WD road cars are 'absurd'. For the wide range of weather conditions we have in the UK I much prefer 4WD. They make perfect sense to me.
If it is a balanced chassis yeah. But I went from an M3 to an S4 avant, and it understeered so badly that you never made use of the 4WD system.
Then went to a 335i touring and that could do the same stretch of road at a much higher speed, no matter what the weather.
4WD can be a benefit, but you need to get the basics right first.
gizlaroc said:
Escort3500 said:
Fail to see why 4WD road cars are 'absurd'. For the wide range of weather conditions we have in the UK I much prefer 4WD. They make perfect sense to me.
If it is a balanced chassis yeah. But I went from an M3 to an S4 avant, and it understeered so badly that you never made use of the 4WD system.
Then went to a 335i touring and that could do the same stretch of road at a much higher speed, no matter what the weather.
4WD can be a benefit, but you need to get the basics right first.
Escort3500 said:
Fair comment. I've got an RS4 - tried an M3, which was great, but much preferred the RS as an all-rounder. And I wanted an estate. BMW missed a huge opportunity not making an estate version of the M3.
Do you think they'd sell enough? e61 M5's are rare enough, not sure if the M3 would attract many estate buyers or not.gizlaroc said:
If it is a balanced chassis yeah.
But I went from an M3 to an S4 avant, and it understeered so badly that you never made use of the 4WD system.
Then went to a 335i touring and that could do the same stretch of road at a much higher speed, no matter what the weather.
4WD can be a benefit, but you need to get the basics right first.
But I went from an M3 to an S4 avant, and it understeered so badly that you never made use of the 4WD system.
Then went to a 335i touring and that could do the same stretch of road at a much higher speed, no matter what the weather.
4WD can be a benefit, but you need to get the basics right first.
Shall I post track times again? They tend to corroborate the benefits of AWD. Patrick Bateman said:
Escort3500 said:
Fair comment. I've got an RS4 - tried an M3, which was great, but much preferred the RS as an all-rounder. And I wanted an estate. BMW missed a huge opportunity not making an estate version of the M3.
Do you think they'd sell enough? e61 M5's are rare enough, not sure if the M3 would attract many estate buyers or not.Ye gods, some of the comments on here.. Think you'll see a theme developing; owners of these cars are really happy with them. Over a year with mine now and I still love it. Drop it into S, and from a standing start very little will see which way it went. Traction, grip and power are sensational, and all this in a good looking, practical car that's a nice place to be. The downsides are that it chews through tyres, and I've seen 29mpg a couple of times, 30mpg once.
scherzkeks said:
Shall I post track times again? They tend to corroborate the benefits of AWD. I wasn't knocking AWD, and if buying again now I would buy a B8 S4 over a 335i, and I would have an RS6 over an M5 even if there was a Touring version available, just saying that just because a car has AWD doesn't mean it is a given that it will be a quick car, just have to get the basics right first.
gizlaroc said:
Do what you want, but that was missing the point, I was saying that in the V8 S4 I never felt the Quattro system adding anything useful as I couldn't get the speed up enough to take advantage of it, where as the RS4 was different, you could really feel it adding to the car, same with the B8 S8, you can feel it on that.
I wasn't knocking AWD, and if buying again now I would buy a B8 S4 over a 335i, and I would have an RS6 over an M5 even if there was a Touring version available, just saying that just because a car has AWD doesn't mean it is a given that it will be a quick car, just have to get the basics right first.
Well, obviously no drive system alone guarantees that a car will be quick or do anything particularly well. But re: RS4 vs S4, I'm not sure I see your point. The RS4 was as nose-heavy as the S4.I wasn't knocking AWD, and if buying again now I would buy a B8 S4 over a 335i, and I would have an RS6 over an M5 even if there was a Touring version available, just saying that just because a car has AWD doesn't mean it is a given that it will be a quick car, just have to get the basics right first.
In terms of the "fundamentals," Audi have run winning race cars with the engine in the same place as on the production sedans, so weight balance is certainly not a major limiting factor to performance on a road car of this type (set-up and tyres are where I'd look), particularly when everything else on the market is just as compromised as an overall package (yes, we can always debate the minutiae).
scherzkeks said:
Well, obviously no drive system alone guarantees that a car will be quick or do anything particularly well. But re: RS4 vs S4, I'm not sure I see your point. The RS4 was as nose-heavy as the S4.
Yeah it probably was, but it never felt it, different suspension, different roll bars, different geometry etc. all made it work as a package, and that was my point. I changed loads on my S4 to try and get it to feel better and in the end gave up, I should have bought an RS4.
Sometimes a car may not be better on paper, or rather in one area, in fact you might find it is beaten in every area by other cars of similar ilk, but as an all round package it can still be the best if it does what you are looking for.
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