RE: Jaguar XE - the full range
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Dale487 said:
fiatpower said:
xRIEx said:
The lazy arse part of me would find that quite useful actually - if I'm leaving for a meeting early in the morning, I could know if I need to leave 5-10 minutes earlier to get fuel without walking out of the house to check.
And it just occurred while typing, if some numpty managed to lock their keys in the car, the app would save having to call out the AA or whoever.
Also means that on a cold day you can set your climate control from your bed to make sure it's warm when you get in.And it just occurred while typing, if some numpty managed to lock their keys in the car, the app would save having to call out the AA or whoever.
But will this all be supported by the mobile companies in 3-4 years team when the lease companies defleet the early models?
It happened with BMW. Could potentially be easier, if the car is connected to the internet!
It's all a variant of white goods, isn't it, at this end of the market. The moment of truth for PH'ers comes with the proper UK road tests and against the C-class, A4 and F31 BMW.
Even then, a large segment of this market will be buying it, or not, using rigid company-user criteria:- BIK, road tax, service interval costs, lease rate. Whether it handles better than a 3 won't trouble your company fleet manager one jot.
Not surprised that it weighs what a 3 does; that just shows the lower-spec F31 to be a very competent overall proposition. I do hope the serious magazine tests end up giving their verdict to the XE based on its on handling and ride compliance on UK roads. That'll make the replacement decision for those of us "user choosers" who despair that the government is ever going to mend our roads.
Even then, a large segment of this market will be buying it, or not, using rigid company-user criteria:- BIK, road tax, service interval costs, lease rate. Whether it handles better than a 3 won't trouble your company fleet manager one jot.
Not surprised that it weighs what a 3 does; that just shows the lower-spec F31 to be a very competent overall proposition. I do hope the serious magazine tests end up giving their verdict to the XE based on its on handling and ride compliance on UK roads. That'll make the replacement decision for those of us "user choosers" who despair that the government is ever going to mend our roads.
knitware said:
It's not very interesting is it, when the XF was launched there was much excitement, I don't think that there is here. And Jaguar have quoted that it will beat the 3 Series for drivability, well come on, hand on heart you know it won't.
Jaguar have been here before with the X-Type, why try again?
We can see you own a 3 series. ive got news for you: they arent the ultimate driving machine. They are not "joy" machines. They can be beaten as cars, as driving machines, as ownership propositions, on looks, on engines, on heritage, on prode, on quality, on pretty much every angleJaguar have been here before with the X-Type, why try again?
the BMs are good cars. Good in most areas. A good all rounder. But never unbeatable
That's not nearly as good as I was expecting. The exterior styling is pretty average, as is the weight and the engines.
Only way to redeem itself is via the way it actually drives. But that isn't a priority for the target demographic so JLR probably did not waste an awfull lot of resources on that aspect.
I hope I'm wrong, as IMO the segment badly needs some credible alternatives, but from the figures alone the XE looks pretty uninteresting.
Only way to redeem itself is via the way it actually drives. But that isn't a priority for the target demographic so JLR probably did not waste an awfull lot of resources on that aspect.
I hope I'm wrong, as IMO the segment badly needs some credible alternatives, but from the figures alone the XE looks pretty uninteresting.
I have a BMW 320 ed business edition sitting outside. Total cost was £30,400 which did include metallic paint, leather, climate control, sat nav, rear parking sensors, DAB radio, etc but there are strange omissions like manual seat adjusters, and the fact that they charge extra for front parking sensors,split fold rear seats and pockets in the back of the seats which were all standard on the insignia which preceded it.
The F30 is impressive for its blend of fuel economy and performance, has a nice handling balance but the damping can be a bit uncontrolled and the steering whilst accurate lacks feel. The interior is very functional but lacking in flair and it isn't that refined.
Given this I'd be quite interested to try the xe and I think the pricing is in the ballpark.
The F30 is impressive for its blend of fuel economy and performance, has a nice handling balance but the damping can be a bit uncontrolled and the steering whilst accurate lacks feel. The interior is very functional but lacking in flair and it isn't that refined.
Given this I'd be quite interested to try the xe and I think the pricing is in the ballpark.
200kgs extra for the v6? WTF?
A whole v6 should be about that shouldnt it? They havnt left the 4 cylinder in too?
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights2.html
A whole v6 should be about that shouldnt it? They havnt left the 4 cylinder in too?
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights2.html
I have a BMW 320 ed business edition sitting outside. Total cost was £30,400 which did include metallic paint, leather, climate control, sat nav, rear parking sensors, DAB radio, etc but there are strange omissions like manual seat adjusters, and the fact that they charge extra for front parking sensors,split fold rear seats and pockets in the back of the seats which were all standard on the insignia which preceded it.
The F30 is impressive for its blend of fuel economy and performance, has a nice handling balance but the damping can be a bit uncontrolled and the steering whilst accurate lacks feel. The interior is very functional but lacking in flair and it isn't that refined.
Given this I'd be quite interested to try the xe and I think the pricing is in the ballpark.
The F30 is impressive for its blend of fuel economy and performance, has a nice handling balance but the damping can be a bit uncontrolled and the steering whilst accurate lacks feel. The interior is very functional but lacking in flair and it isn't that refined.
Given this I'd be quite interested to try the xe and I think the pricing is in the ballpark.
Kolbenkopp said:
That's not nearly as good as I was expecting. The exterior styling is pretty average, as is the weight and the engines.
Only way to redeem itself is via the way it actually drives. But that isn't a priority for the target demographic so JLR probably did not waste an awfull lot of resources on that aspect.
I hope I'm wrong, as IMO the segment badly needs some credible alternatives, but from the figures alone the XE looks pretty uninteresting.
Yeah they only stuck double wishbones up the front and a integral link rear axle.... clearly not concerned about dynamics and that McPherson strutting 3 series.Only way to redeem itself is via the way it actually drives. But that isn't a priority for the target demographic so JLR probably did not waste an awfull lot of resources on that aspect.
I hope I'm wrong, as IMO the segment badly needs some credible alternatives, but from the figures alone the XE looks pretty uninteresting.
Love how many people have come onto this and the other thread specifically to say how boring they think all of this is.
WRT the aluminium argument - the body in white is genuinely quite light by my understanding compared to the competition. However, in typical marketing and brand fashion, it has been loaded with gizmos and widgets (powered tailgate on a saloon?) which only add weight. So it's probably not surprising that it weighs the same as the competition in the end. Not really an excuse for the V6 weighing 1665kg though, although the V6 and V8 are far from the lightest engines in class.
This car should, and rightfully deserves to be successful in my mind. It's priced sensibly, it's got the fleet market covered with the 99g car, it will feel classy too which is something that BMW have never really managed to nail down at this end of the market and should run the competition hard.
As for the Mondeo comments please, get a grip. Even the X-Type wasn't that much of a Mondeo in the end. I don't recall a 4WD V6 Mondeo ever being put into production.
WRT the aluminium argument - the body in white is genuinely quite light by my understanding compared to the competition. However, in typical marketing and brand fashion, it has been loaded with gizmos and widgets (powered tailgate on a saloon?) which only add weight. So it's probably not surprising that it weighs the same as the competition in the end. Not really an excuse for the V6 weighing 1665kg though, although the V6 and V8 are far from the lightest engines in class.
This car should, and rightfully deserves to be successful in my mind. It's priced sensibly, it's got the fleet market covered with the 99g car, it will feel classy too which is something that BMW have never really managed to nail down at this end of the market and should run the competition hard.
As for the Mondeo comments please, get a grip. Even the X-Type wasn't that much of a Mondeo in the end. I don't recall a 4WD V6 Mondeo ever being put into production.
RobDickinson said:
200kgs extra for the v6? WTF?
A whole v6 should be about that shouldnt it? They havnt left the 4 cylinder in too?
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights2.html
It really is not that simple. 200 kg includes some extra engine weight, but also the bigger wheels, the bigger tyres, the bigger brakes, the bigger radiator, the weight of the additional coolant and oil, the heavier springs, anti-roll bars, dampers, a heavier duty transmission, probably all the way down to the drive shafts and UJs, more interior standard kit, and quite possibly the larger fuel tank and the additional fuel.A whole v6 should be about that shouldnt it? They havnt left the 4 cylinder in too?
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/engineweights2.html
Also bear in mind that, bizarrely, the current Jag V6 is not really a proper 60 degree V6 at all, but a 90 degree V8 block with two cylinders left off.
anonymous said:
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A 320ED is 1495kg according to BMWs website. I make the 163hp XE 20kg lighter.So fundamentally, the increase to 1550kg for the "regular" 2.0l has to be more in the specification of the car than it is the engine or the chassis.
Now, given I said that the V6 and V8 are far from lightest in class (very far) then that apportions some of the increase in weight going to that engine. Even then, it's a scant 80kg more for the XE compared to a 335i which is an average sized male - hardly enormous. Some of that is in the engine, some of it is bits that the BMW doesn't have. Like the aforementioned, slightly ridiculous powered tailgate.
The way you lot are talking makes it sound like it's a ton or more heavier than the competition when it just isn't.
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