RE: Jaguar XE - the full range

[RicksAlfas]

Jag are offering a space saver spare as a £150 option.
That will interest a few buyers who don't like the BMW alternative of no spare, and no space to put a spare even if you wanted to.
What do Merc do these days?

[tr7v8]

The fundamental difference will be Jaguar do ride quality for UK roads miles better than the Germans. I have not ridden in one German 3er size car that rides anything less than atrocious.
My S Type in Sport spec on 18" & stiffer suspension rode better than a colleagues base poverty spec 5 series on 16".
The problem is & it is apparent here is that people think that the sun shines out of anything with a BMW or Audi badge, when in fact they are average & as regards suspension very poor.

[AmitG]

ChemicalChaos said:

Jesus H fking Christ on a pogo stick!

Jaguar pours their very best efforts into making a car that promises to stand above the German competition that is so often the subject of bile on here, and all most people on here seem to be able to do is find fault with nitpicking things.

Cant you just be proud that we have a segment-leading BRITISH car?

I think this is the downside of the "drip feed" method of releasing the car. A bit of information gets released, and everyone pores over it, and starts forming opinions even though the information isn't complete, because there isn't anything else. And those opinions become very hard to shift even when new information is released or the car is seen in the metal.

We saw this with the F-type. As soon as the weight figure was released loads of people decided it would be awful to drive.

I sometimes think Jaguar would have been better off just saying "the new XE will be at motor show X with all the specs and prices" and letting the public see the actual car and all the information at once rather than this constant tease.

I'm going to reserve judgement until I see it, but I think Jaguar have done the best they could with this one...

[webby23]

thiscocks said:

Exterior styling is too 'safe'. Looks like every other Jag from the front. Thought it would weigh alot less too.

Oh yeah, and of course Audis don't all look the same do they.........

Edited by webby23 on Thursday 2nd October 17:30

[KTF]

tr7v8 said:

The problem is & it is apparent here is that people have different preferences/criteria when it comes to carsthink that the sun shines out of anything with a BMW or Audi badge, when in fact they are average & as regards suspension very poor.

There. Group hug anyone?

Edited by KTF on Thursday 2nd October 17:36

[Debaser]

Westy Carl said:

Making the body lighter allows them to put a more advanced heavier suspension than the BMW.

What do you mean?

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Debaser said:

Westy Carl said:

Making the body lighter allows them to put a more advanced heavier suspension than the BMW.

What do you mean?

Double wishbones on the front. Heavier than McPherson struts that BMW and others use.

[Debaser]

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Debaser said:

Westy Carl said:

Making the body lighter allows them to put a more advanced heavier suspension than the BMW.

What do you mean?

Double wishbones on the front. Heavier than McPherson struts that BMW and others use.

I doubt the reason for a light body is to offset it with heavy suspension.

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Debaser said:

I doubt the reason for a light body is to offset it with heavy suspension.

I'm sure it's not. In fact I'm sure the body probably isn't that light anyway.

[iSore]

The current F30 3 Series is a fine car, all 23 million of them. They ride well*, go well etc etc but BMW have done well in making a car look both bland and ugly at the same time. Their star is definitely waning - no matter how good they drive, it's just another bloody 3 Series and the old BMW magic has now gone, never to return. Their pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap plan will bite them on the arse one day.

This Jaguar will look great on the road, drive superbly and enough folk with the $$$ will buy one in order not to have a 3 Series. By pricing the car above the 3 Series and A4 they've made a smart move. XE's will only be built in one plant, unlike the 3 Series that is built in 2-4 plants so there's no point in trying to undercut BMW because they will never be built in the same volume. Like the XF, Jaguar will sell every XE they make at either list price or something close.

I'm looking forward to seeing a few on the road - I love the XF and I bet the XE will be a big success.

Edit: the M Sport rides like a bullock dray.

[anonymous-user]

iSore said:

The current F30 3 Series is a fine car, all 23 million of them. They ride well, go well etc etc but BMW have done well in making a car look both bland and ugly at the same time. Their star is definitely waning - no matter how good they drive, it's just another bloody 3 Series and the old BMW magic has now gone, never to return. Their pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap plan will bite them on the arse one day.

This Jaguar will look great on the road, drive superbly and enough folk with the $$$ will buy one in order not to have a 3 Series. By pricing the car above the 3 Series and A4 they've made a smart move. XE's will only be built in one plant, unlike the 3 Series that is built in 2-4 plants so there's no point in trying to undercut BMW because they will never be built in the same volume. Like the XF, Jaguar will sell every XE they make at either list price or something close.

I'm looking forward to seeing a few on the road - I love the XF and I bet the XE will be a big success.

I love it when people post stuff like this^^^^ ;-)

yup, BMW, a company heading for the dole and apparently trading on past glories. Well, probably best we don't talk about this:



oh, and maybe this:





^^^^Which, no matter what us Car nuts think, ARE the future of motoring.

And what exactly has enabled BMW to be in such a leading position with Future tech? Yup, it's selling what is technically called "S**T loads" of boring but well engineered diesel passenger cars.
This is something JLR is well aware of, and hence the very reason the XE exists at all.


So, yes, you might not personally like the company, they might not be your favorite or whatever, but you'd have to be a fool to "write off" BMW with sweeping statements such as "they are past it"............

[DP33]

Really hoping this works for Jaguar. Competition improves the breed and we need a credible alternative to mix it with the Big Three.

Jury is out for me at the moment and will be until a test drive is on the cards.

Just one tiny detail: have a look at the exhaust pipe finishers on the lower spec derivatives - where are they? If Mazda can manage to get it right on a Mazda3 it' feels like a lost opportunity on the XE. Yeap it's a small thing, but in this class the competition is so close details like this do matter.

[JimbobVFR]

pjv997 said:

There was a time when the first real bit of journalism that I would read about a new car like this would be the road test against two or three of it's nearest rivals conducted in the UK with some real conclusions about how it fared against the competition in categories that a potential buyer would find informative.

......

I'll get my pipe and slippers.....

There was a time you'd only get your journalism monthly or possibly weekly. its the Internet get with the programme granddad

[Pommygranite]

iSore said:

By pricing the car above the 3 Series and A4 they've made a smart move. Like the XF, Jaguar will sell every XE they make at either list price or something close..

Bad move and not a chance in hell.

It'll be discounted heavily in a few months and facelifted within a year.

[l354uge]

Im more pissed about the colour choices personally.

grey, grey and more bloody grey!

[xRIEx]

l354uge said:

Im more pissed about the colour choices personally.

grey, grey and more bloody grey!

As well as 3 blues, 2 reds and a green.

[Dr Jekyll]

It does seem a massive investment if they aren't expecting to sell in BMW 3 series or Mondeo volumes. Are they hoping to use the design as the basis for other models? EG a Tata rival for the Mondeo.

But if so, why RWD?

[stumpage]

xRIEx said:

l354uge said:

Im more pissed about the colour choices personally.

grey, grey and more bloody grey!

As well as 3 blues, 2 reds and a green.

And 2 whites, a Brown, Celestial Black looks like another Blue and Black Cherry (Which looks dark purple to my eyes).

They really have missed a trick with the colours considering how many people will want this type of car in Orange and Yellow.

[MonkeySpanker]

anonymous said:

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The platform architecture allows for RWD, AWD & (gasp, shock, horror etc) FWD.
Unfortunately JLR doesn't have the capacity to compete on numbers with the likes of BMW, Merc, Audi etc, hence why their cars cost more.

[fiatpower]

stumpage said:

And 2 whites, a Brown, Celestial Black looks like another Blue and Black Cherry (Which looks dark purple to my eyes).

They really have missed a trick with the colours considering how many people will want this type of car in Orange and Yellow.

They are the same colours that the XF is painted in so not a surprise really. I wouldn't be surprised if they bring in some more vibrant colours with the different model years or any sportier models they have planned.