RE: Jaguar XE - the full range

[Westy Carl]

kambites said:

The last thing you want suspension to be is heavy!

Edited by kambites on Thursday 2nd October 16:06

Wrong chose of words, meant more advanced (but heavier) suspension

[Westy Carl]

Debaser said:

I doubt the reason for a light body is to offset it with heavy suspension.

No but everything is a compromise. To achieve a "reasonable" weight with new tech and an advanced suspension one way to offset is by an Ally body.

[Westy Carl]

Dr Jekyll said:

It does seem a massive investment if they aren't expecting to sell in BMW 3 series or Mondeo volumes. Are they hoping to use the design as the basis for other models? EG a Tata rival for the Mondeo.

But if so, why RWD?

Yes, the platform will be used for other model(s), not just RWD

[Nors]

Well, I agree with some that it's not ground breaking in terms of design, nor will it likely do anything significantly better/different to the opposition, but that's the market it's in I guess.

Personally, even though the design might be a bit yesterday, it still looks better imho than the BMW and the Merc. The Merc is not as pretty as it's predecessor (it's almost trying too hard and looks a bit wierd) and BMW haven't made a pretty 3 series since the E46. So, I think the Jag looks the best in this sector, but for how long?

My biggest surprise however (also surprised at how little it's been discussed)is the missed opportunity that is the interior. It looks exceptionally bare and a bit cheap!! Whislt I can understand the conservatism on the outside, the interior should always be somwhere where you can do it a bit different to stand out from the crowd, surely? It doesn't even look as good as it's other Jag stablemates let alone trying to up the game in this sector. Looks like they haven't even tried and I think is a major fail!!

[kambites]

Westy Carl said:

Wrong chose of words, meant more advanced (but heavier) suspension

I'd like to see your weight calculations.

The extra two mount points and extra wishbone per side at the front aren't going to add more than 10kg a corner and the Jag probably doesn't need the bloody great strut brace that the BMW has because the strut tops are less crucial to the suspension geometry (although the top wishbone mount is quite high up so may need bracing). At the rear, the 3-series uses a relatively conventional five-link setup; the Jaguar uses a three-link (basically double wishbone with toe-link) design with an extra link between one of the main links and the upright. I'd expect the Jaguar system to be lighter, if anything.

Edited by kambites on Friday 3rd October 11:02

[rscott]

stumpage said:

xRIEx said:

l354uge said:

Im more pissed about the colour choices personally.

grey, grey and more bloody grey!

As well as 3 blues, 2 reds and a green.

And 2 whites, a Brown, Celestial Black looks like another Blue and Black Cherry (Which looks dark purple to my eyes).

They really have missed a trick with the colours considering how many people will want this type of car in Orange and Yellow.

Of the 12 BMW colours, 2 are black, 2 white, 4 grey/silver, 1 red, 2 blue and 1 bronze. Much less choice than Jaguar, I'd say.

[kambites]

rscott said:

Of the 12 BMW colours, 2 are black, 2 white, 4 grey/silver, 1 red, 2 blue and 1 bronze. Much less choice than Jaguar, I'd say.

BMW will still do any colour you want for a (probably significant) fee wont they? Will Jaguar do the same?

[KTF]

I have seen many thing on here but people start arguing over the colours is something new

Perhaps they should have created a special 'baby poo brown' colour with matching interior just for the XE to keep the pipe and slipper brigade happy...

[fiatpower]

kambites said:

BMW will still do any colour you want for a (probably significant) fee wont they? Will Jaguar do the same?

I'd presume so with the SVO part of JLR.

[l354uge]

xRIEx said:

As well as 3 blues, 2 reds and a green.

Which are so dull and dark they might as well be grey.

Where's the French racing blue?

[xRIEx]

l354uge said:

xRIEx said:

As well as 3 blues, 2 reds and a green.

Which are so dull and dark they might as well be grey.

Of course, if someone disagrees with you and you can't form a coherent argument in response, you could just make up some daft st with no basis in reality. Oh, you did.

l354uge said:

Where's the French racing blue?

Dunno. On a French car maybe?

Going by other Jaguar models, that will probably be reserved for an R-S version if they do one.

[KTF]

l354uge said:

Where's the French racing blue?

Don't you mean where is the British Racing Green

[knitware]

iSore said:

Edit: the M Sport rides like a bullock dray.

You must have driven one with broken suspension, the M Sport drives beautifully.

[MonkeySpanker]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I'll just assume that you don't know what you're talking about.

[KTF]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Whilst that may be the case - well 10% of it:

wikipedia said:

The Evoque platform, named LR-MS, is loosely based on the Ford EUCD platform (which was used on the company's Freelander 2) but 90% of its parts were redesigned.

For every model they sell, a royalty payment for using the platform will go to Ford. As will a payment for all the other Ford stuff which is why JLR are keen to get their own engines on line and in their products asap.

[xRIEx]

MonkeySpanker said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I'll just assume that you don't know what you're talking about.

Wiki said:
"The Evoque platform, named LR-MS, is loosely based on the Ford EUCD platform (which was used on the company's Freelander 2) but 90% of its parts were redesigned.[1]"

I'm sure you both have valid claims for being right, but no real need for derogatory comments.

[JonnyVTEC]

Interesting article from AutoCar based on what Westy Carl had said, albeit short.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/paris-motor-show...

Sub heading to that:

New Jaguar saloon trades some of its aluminium construction's weight savings for more sophisticated suspension for better dynamics

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Friday 3rd October 12:04

[unpc]

xRIEx said:

MonkeySpanker said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I'll just assume that you don't know what you're talking about.

Wiki said:
"The Evoque platform, named LR-MS, is loosely based on the Ford EUCD platform (which was used on the company's Freelander 2) but 90% of its parts were redesigned.[1]"

I'm sure you both have valid claims for being right, but no real need for derogatory comments.

Discovery Sport is not related to the Evoque.

[xRIEx]

unpc said:

xRIEx said:

MonkeySpanker said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I'll just assume that you don't know what you're talking about.

Wiki said:
"The Evoque platform, named LR-MS, is loosely based on the Ford EUCD platform (which was used on the company's Freelander 2) but 90% of its parts were redesigned.[1]"

I'm sure you both have valid claims for being right, but no real need for derogatory comments.

Discovery Sport is not related to the Evoque.

cmoose was only making an assumption on that point, as stated quite clearly in his post. Although, wiki seems to disagree with you:

"The platform used for the Discovery Sport is the Land Rover LR-MS platform, shared with the Range Rover Evoque and derived from the Ford EUCD platform, but with 90% of components redesigned from scratch to meet Land Rover's specific demands, primarily related to off-road use.[5][16]"

[l354uge]

xRIEx said:

l354uge said:

xRIEx said:

As well as 3 blues, 2 reds and a green.

Which are so dull and dark they might as well be grey.

Of course, if someone disagrees with you and you can't form a coherent argument in response, you could just make up some daft st with no basis in reality. Oh, you did.

l354uge said:

Where's the French racing blue?

Dunno. On a French car maybe?

Going by other Jaguar models, that will probably be reserved for an R-S version if they do one.

Well you're a little angry so and so aren't you, go take a holiday or something...