RE: Jaguar XE - the full range
Discussion
There are a few problems with this new car.
Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
knitware said:
There are a few problems with this new car.
Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
I think your tea might be ready.Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
knitware said:
There are a few problems with this new car.
Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
Seriously? I'm surprised you didn't say Arthur Daly as you still seem to living in the past. I think the Jag image has moved on a bit since then. Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
SturdyHSV said:
SturdyHSV said:
It was rather a lot of hype for the fast one to weigh 1,665kg, which is more than an E92 M3, a car widely regarded (on PH at least) as 'a bit fat'.
Hope it does well for them either way, and that they put the rest of the V8 in one. No doubt that will weigh 1,800kg by then...
I felt I needed to update my earlier post Hope it does well for them either way, and that they put the rest of the V8 in one. No doubt that will weigh 1,800kg by then...
Good point though, it does bode well for a future V8. Mind you if you go by cylinder count this *is* a V8, so I think we'll have to start calling it piston count now
knitware said:
There are a few problems with this new car.
Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
One of the reasons for the "old man" image was that for a long time, only wealthy older guys could afford Jaguars. A positive thing image in many ways!Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
pjv997 said:
There was a time when the first real bit of journalism that I would read about a new car like this would be the road test against two or three of it's nearest rivals conducted in the UK with some real conclusions about how it fared against the competition in categories that a potential buyer would find informative.
Nowadays we get the slow reveal of arty photos, preliminary specifications, more specifications, passenger ride (I'm pretty sure Jaguar led the way on this), overseas launch (but we can't really judge on UK roads), first drive and then maybe, just maybe, a group test.
I've probably missed out a few stages in the current process but I am just finding the stuff that is written is not that interesting and is just designed to fill colummn inches or screenspace.
If I were in the market for this car, I'd want to know how the 320d equivalent or the top of the range v6 fares against the competition.
I'll get my pipe and slippers.....
This is the JLR approach. The aim is to drip feed info, pre-announce the range and aim to build a firm customer order book ahead of production. JLR policy is not to build for stock only against firm orders. The first models will not be delivered until next Spring. If you are seriously interested (and the schedue is like that for the Discovery Sport) you probably can go to a preview somewhere and you will be able to drive a dealer demonstrator (next January for the Discovery Sport). They did something similar for the Range Rover Sport, except this comprised a half day`s driving on road, a little off road and on track (to show off the V8 and improved handling). That worked for those seriously interested in getting one.Nowadays we get the slow reveal of arty photos, preliminary specifications, more specifications, passenger ride (I'm pretty sure Jaguar led the way on this), overseas launch (but we can't really judge on UK roads), first drive and then maybe, just maybe, a group test.
I've probably missed out a few stages in the current process but I am just finding the stuff that is written is not that interesting and is just designed to fill colummn inches or screenspace.
If I were in the market for this car, I'd want to know how the 320d equivalent or the top of the range v6 fares against the competition.
I'll get my pipe and slippers.....
It looks a safe design, which is to be expected. Proof of the pudding will be in the driving. If the fairly flat torque comes in at c1750 rpm as stated then the driving could be better than the bare numbers suggest.
covmutley said:
£30k for the poverty spec 2.0 diesel!
I don't want to raise the "new car costs more than second hand car shock" debate, but I think i will stick with my £5k V70 SE.
Also, I cant imagine it is a good idea to price these above equivalent bmws
I agree. I don't want to raise the "new car costs more than second hand car shock" debate, but I think i will stick with my £5k V70 SE.
Also, I cant imagine it is a good idea to price these above equivalent bmws
My V70 Lux with 5 cylinders, wood effect trim, and soft leather on its memory seats. Replacing that would push me to the V6 Portfolio. Goodness knows how much that thing cost.
Or, even if that model is allowed to be made. I got the impression that a V6 only comes in some stupid spec with crazy wheels, carbon fibre etc.
Incidentally, why on earth would you want carbon fibre trim??? It is a structural material, design for its weight and strength. So why would you want it as a trim material, where it needs no strength?
t looking plastic "aluminium" for trim? Why do you want wood? Some people think it looks good I guess, same as pink shirts and Oakley sunglasses.
It's not very interesting is it, when the XF was launched there was much excitement, I don't think that there is here. And Jaguar have quoted that it will beat the 3 Series for drivability, well come on, hand on heart you know it won't.
Jaguar have been here before with the X-Type, why try again?
Jaguar have been here before with the X-Type, why try again?
I like the XE (although not those TSW Venom-like wheels - eugh!) and I'll definitely be popping into Lancasters to have a chin wag over the XE and see what's what.
I have this horrible feeling though that the men and women at BMW, Merc & Audi will be offering a lot more for the same money though...
I have this horrible feeling though that the men and women at BMW, Merc & Audi will be offering a lot more for the same money though...
knitware said:
And Jaguar have quoted that it will beat the 3 Series for drivability, well come on, hand on heart you know it won't.
How do you know it won't? I'm at a loss why people think BMWs are such a paragon of drivability, whatever that actually means. As a target I don't think the bar is set that high. knitware said:
It's not very interesting is it, when the XF was launched there was much excitement, I don't think that there is here. And Jaguar have quoted that it will beat the 3 Series for drivability, well come on, hand on heart you know it won't.
Jaguar have been here before with the X-Type, why try again?
Yeah, they should just wind the company up, and that Land Rover division as well, who would want those ?Jaguar have been here before with the X-Type, why try again?
As for people not buying a Jaguar due to a Deputy Prime Minister owning one (two) from ten years ago, laughable, about as rational as my dogs deep seated mistrust of black bin bags, at the end of the day, its a badge on a motor vehicle, not adopting a new lifestyle.
The car needed a bit more F-Type magic about it. I just can't get on with those heavy rear light clusters. With the LED tech on offer nowadays, why not make some ultra-slim clusters like in the F? And use the door handles from the F too whilst you are at it, to sprinkle that magic a little further.
The interior worries me too, looks like it is going to be cheap in execution. You just cannot do this when the C Class offers such a well made cabin and this is before Audi launch their new A4 with a TT inspired cabin.
Will await final judgement for when i actually sit in and drive one, but wanted and expected more.
Regards,
MyCC.
The interior worries me too, looks like it is going to be cheap in execution. You just cannot do this when the C Class offers such a well made cabin and this is before Audi launch their new A4 with a TT inspired cabin.
Will await final judgement for when i actually sit in and drive one, but wanted and expected more.
Regards,
MyCC.
knitware said:
There are a few problems with this new car.
Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
Was there any point in this post at all?Firstly it's a Jaguar and I’m sorry but my image of anyone who drives a Jag is Prescott and if I drove a Jag I too would be Prescott or an old man.
Secondly and seriously we all know don’t we, we all know that when the journalists do the obligatory comparison test between the Audi A4, in which a new one is coming soon, the 3 Series and AN other the Jaguar will lose and the BMW will win.
Seriously, an ‘Ap’ doesn’t make a car good.
Sorry Jaguar, you’ve already lost.
Fortunately for Jaguar (but not the good of the country) younger people are already forgetting John Prescott and the last Labour government.
The truth is all these modern cars are excellent and the choice comes down to personal preference, and as for the driving experience, they are all comparatively dull. Personally I would buy it because whilst the company is foreign owned, the Jaguar brand employs many thousands of people (and subcontractors) directly and indirectly, who all pay UK tax, which pays for all our public services. I am sure many of us benefit one way or another, so why buy a foreign car which is marginally different, other than for personal taste, and as for image, what a load of nonsense...get a life. I do also understand that foreign manufacturers also employ large numbers of people in the dealerships and after service sectors.
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