German vs. Japanese?
Discussion
E65Ross said:
He's right. He said most Japanese cars are boring. You've listed some, not most 
But then there are a large proportion of boring German offerings save for the M and RS editions?What would you call a 1.6 diesel A3 'sport'...inspired or insipid
In the main the Japanese have got the general run of the mill things pretty much right and when they try things like the LFA happen.
yonex said:
E65Ross said:
He's right. He said most Japanese cars are boring. You've listed some, not most
But then there are a large proportion of boring German offerings save for the M and RS editions?What would you call a 1.6 diesel A3 'sport'...inspired or insipid
In the main the Japanese have got the general run of the mill things pretty much right and when they try things like the LFA happen.
yonex said:
DC2
NSX
GT86
350Z
MR2
MX5
Supra
Celica GT4
Skyline
'most' read 'some'
Not to mention LFA, RX7, RX8, 200SX (early ones and the last generation Silvia), S2000, DC5, Levin (the FWD one, amusingly), Impreza, Evo etc etcNSX
GT86
350Z
MR2
MX5
Supra
Celica GT4
Skyline
'most' read 'some'
I could go on, but the Japanese have made a whole s
t ton of interesting and fun cars.
KTF said:
VW as the styling of the current Lexus range is just dire. Plus they have too many buttons in the cabin compared to rivals.
Assuming stuff like that is a matter of taste and you just need reliable A to B with good economy - I appreciate a lot of this is subjective as if you hate the styling of something it's difficult to see past that.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Assuming stuff like that is a matter of taste and you just need reliable A to B with good economy - I appreciate a lot of this is subjective as if you hate the styling of something it's difficult to see past that.
Aren't the lexus' more expensive though, Golfs start at £16,995 (without dealer discount)
The cheapest Lexus CT is £20,995
Lexus are surely more aimed at Merc drivers.
chrispmartha said:
Aren't the lexus' more expensive though,
Golfs start at £16,995 (without dealer discount)
The cheapest Lexus CT is £20,995
Lexus are surely more aimed at Merc drivers.
A little but assuming you don't want a bare bones Golf it's about even with the Golf coming out more expensive.Golfs start at £16,995 (without dealer discount)
The cheapest Lexus CT is £20,995
Lexus are surely more aimed at Merc drivers.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Assuming stuff like that is a matter of taste and you just need reliable A to B with good economy - I appreciate a lot of this is subjective as if you hate the styling of something it's difficult to see past that.
A better comparison would be Toyota v VW and Lexus v Audi as that is the more natural 'rival' for each brand.For reliable A to B, pretty much any car on sale today will do that without too much trouble. The rest of it is all subjective as you say and thats when individual preferences come into play.
KTF said:
For reliable A to B, pretty much any car on sale today will do that without too much trouble. The rest of it is all subjective as you say and thats when individual preferences come into play.
Agreed if all you need is reliable A-B with good economy you can get that for at half the price of either.I think Lexus have it nailed in terms of reliability and customer satisfaction. I even like the styling these days (though I understand some people don't).
If I were in the market for a 3 series or similar I'd want to test drive a Lexus IS300h first before deciding. (I've sat in an IS but not driven one.) Anyone tried driving one in the real world?
If I were in the market for a 3 series or similar I'd want to test drive a Lexus IS300h first before deciding. (I've sat in an IS but not driven one.) Anyone tried driving one in the real world?
I keep looking at German cars every time I change but a combination of vanilla driving experience, lack of any styling and dealers that seem to have been trained to offend mean I never bother committing. I'd happily have said Japanese based on engineering and reliability but my last two (STI 330S and Evo X FQ330) have been anything but, and even the driving experience has been pretty "meh". And I never thought I'd say that about an Evo! So, in short, if pushed it would be Japanese, but I'd be far more likely to take a chance on something British, French or Italian these days.
KTF said:
A better comparison would be Toyota v VW and Lexus v Audi as that is the more natural 'rival' for each brand.
For reliable A to B, pretty much any car on sale today will do that without too much trouble. The rest of it is all subjective as you say and thats when individual preferences come into play.
Not a fan of Audi. I'm down to a Golf or Lexus CT and whilst I like the Golf they're everywhere - doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them but it's nice to have something a little different.For reliable A to B, pretty much any car on sale today will do that without too much trouble. The rest of it is all subjective as you say and thats when individual preferences come into play.
I like small Japanese cars as daily drivers they have the money spent on the engineering making them reliable and economical...the most important factor of a DD, but the downside is you don't get the interior or the paint finish of an Audi A1.
However for fun weekend cars German every time...they have the driving dynamics, looks and a prestige badge on the bonnet.
However for fun weekend cars German every time...they have the driving dynamics, looks and a prestige badge on the bonnet.
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