RE: Mazda RX-8 PZ: PH Carpool

RE: Mazda RX-8 PZ: PH Carpool

Monday 6th October 2014

Mazda RX-8 PZ: PH Carpool

After too long in a dull repmobile, this Carpooler decided fun had to be a priority again



Name: Andrew Hathaway
Car: 2006 Mazda RX-8 PZ
Owned since: January 2014
Previously owned: 2005 Audi A4 2.0 petrol, 1999 Volvo S40 1.6 petrol (first car)

Once RX-8 was chosen there was only one spec - PZ!
Once RX-8 was chosen there was only one spec - PZ!
Why I bought it:
"After having to suffer the indignity of owning an Audi repmobile (owing to high motorway mileage and regular long journeys at the time) I was keen to move onto something that could inspire a bit more excitement. Something that I'd actually look forward to driving.

"The brief was fairly simple - petrol, manual, under seven seconds to 60. A raft of popular hot hatches came to mind including the Cupra R, Civic Type R, and the Focus ST. But the more I thought about it, the more I fancied something rear wheel-drive, and in an ideal world, naturally aspirated. That narrowed the options fairly spectacularly to either an RX-8 or an E46 330Ci. I deliberated for months before deciding that the Mazda was the way to go. I preferred the styling and the image of the RX-8, plus the greater focus on cornering speed rather than straight line grunt. Once that decision was made, there was only one spec to look for - it had to be the PZ. For only £1,500 more than a similar condition standard car, you get Eibach springs, Bilstein dampers, a Prodrive exhaust (which sounds a little 'gruffer' than the stock exhaust) and the OZ wheels. Not to mention the subtle aerodynamic adjustments that give it that more aggressive presence."

What I wish I'd known:
"I spent a LONG time researching the ins and outs of RX8 ownership. I went in with eyes wide open and there have been no nasty surprises thus far..."

Things I love:
"The list is vast. I'd thoroughly recommend the PZ to anyone who enjoys the thrill of driving over straight line pace. First and foremost it's the engine. The throttle response and power delivery is so linear and smooth, you know exactly what you're getting when you put your foot down. It loves to be revved, and given that all the fun happens between 6,000 and 9,000 rpm, it constantly eggs you on to push it and make progress. It wants to be thrashed, to be blunt.

"The handling is a revelation for me too. The nose darts into corners with such precision, and she corners as flat as you like. Once you thread it through a couple of B-road corners it really comes alive and it's impossible not to have a massive childish grin plastered across your face. Finally, I'd love the sound. The Prodrive exhaust makes a noticeable difference. It burbles away quietly in the background while cruising, and when you really get up the rev range it screams like no piston engine ever could. Now if I can just get the missus to stop being embarrassed every time we drive through a tunnel (with the windows down of course)...

Ah right, this will be the coil pack photo then
Ah right, this will be the coil pack photo then
Things I hate:
"Hate is a strong word. And so far there's nothing I would say I hate. It still feels like I'm in the honeymoon period. Every journey is a joy. If I had to pick some minor gripes, it would only be that this is a car that has no middle ground. You either drive in a very sedate and quiet fashion, or you really lean on it and thrash the proverbial b******s off it. So it can feel like a stressful drive at times. But I guess that's half the fun. You have to concentrate and really work to unlock the pace from it. And it really rewards you for doing so."

Costs:
"Well it's been all as expected so far. Tax renewal was £500 for the year, but if you want a PZ, they only come on a 2006 plate (one year too late to qualify for the lower tax bracket). MOT was passed with flying colours, and I'm just coming up to the first service, which won't break the bank.

"The only other costs to take note of compared to a piston engine car are of course the terrible fuel economy (circa 200 miles from a full 65-litre tank), and the extra oil top ups. In reality the fuel economy isn't an issue and the oil usage is no where near as bad as online forums would have you believe. Other than that, I've just had to replace all 4 coil packs for around £250 (see the attached photo for the consequences of that). Oh, and for some unknown reason the insurance was around 15 per cent more expensive than for a standard RX-8, despite being no faster and no more powerful."

Longleat an early ownership highlight
Longleat an early ownership highlight
Where I've been:
"Longleat was the first notable excursion (picture attached), providing some excellent B-road blasting to get acquainted with the RX-8. Other than that I've done all I can to escape the confines of South East London, and have managed to extract some fun from the roads of Kent and Essex on a regular basis."

What next?
Well, I'm already planning the replacement (an Evo X or a Cayman S) but it'll take me about a year to get the cash together for either of those two. So in the meantime, I'm waiting for the Mazda approved used warranty to come to an end so that I can start making some tasteful 'enhancements'. First on the list is a K&N Typhoon induction kit, and some new rubber. Mazda fitted some dreadful Sailun Atrezzos on all four wheels, so these need to make way for more appropriate Pirellis or Toyos ASAP. Some aesthetic upgrades are on the cards too, including a vinyl wrap colour change and refurbing the alloys. After that I'll play it by ear...

 

 

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Discussion

Scottie - NW

Original Poster:

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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I ran a PZ as a sensible daily for 2.5 years and it was excellent. The rear doors made it fantastic fot putting young children in the back.

It did the school run and numerous trips to the Ring, all it needed was yellow stuff pads, uprated brake hoses and good fluid, as was discovered on the first trip smile

Upon purchasing I fitted new coils, uprated leads and spark plugs as recommended by the owners club.

As well as the daily duties and Ring trips it excelled at Donnington as well.

Totally relaxing with all the toys and lovely cruise, but instantly alive on a B road or track.

Was sad to see it go but when daily miles went from 4k per year to 24k per year it had to.

It was the best all round car I had in 20 years.

(Still had good hot compression when I sold it at 56k miles!)

jiggawhat2k

106 posts

119 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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have been debating one of these as a vaguely practical choice for shopping trips/weekend fun, they're a bargain at the moment but i wonder if I'd miss the low down torque of my 330i (which i love but keeps breaking...).

Can you get a baby seat in the back?

Scottie - NW

Original Poster:

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Forgot to mention, only mod I did was a decat, which was recommended by many tuners, and gave a lovely sound as well wihtout ever being intrusive.

Scottie - NW

Original Poster:

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Yes they are perfect for baby seats. My weekend car was a 1250kg, 398bhp 378lb/ft RWD, and I thought I'd miss the torque in the RX8...I never did!

jiggawhat2k

106 posts

119 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Scottie - NW said:
I ran a PZ as a sensible daily for 2.5 years and it was excellent. The rear doors made it fantastic fot putting young children in the back.

It did the school run and numerous trips to the Ring, all it needed was yellow stuff pads, uprated brake hoses and good fluid, as was discovered on the first trip smile

Upon purchasing I fitted new coils, uprated leads and spark plugs as recommended by the owners club.

As well as the daily duties and Ring trips it excelled at Donnington as well.

Totally relaxing with all the toys and lovely cruise, but instantly alive on a B road or track.

Was sad to see it go but when daily miles went from 4k per year to 24k per year it had to.

It was the best all round car I had in 20 years.

(Still had good hot compression when I sold it at 56k miles!)
Good to know, thanks Scottie. Might have a little look around...!

MDMetal

2,776 posts

149 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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So what's the going price for a good one? The GF keeps banging on about wanting a BMW 1 series (coupe) or an A3 but we can't ever find any in her silly price range that are new enough (she buys cars for gadgets/looks vs anything else) I've always pondered her nudging her towards an RX8 but the fact that used ones are all 3grand makes me wonder what's wrong with them. The internet seems awash with RX8's and the fact you can't find a seemingly perfect one for 6-7grand always make me wonder what's wrong with them all!

smaybury

87 posts

150 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Didn't realise the RX-8 was so much bigger than a Ford Focus, TBH.

daytona365

1,773 posts

165 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Great looking/driving car but aren't they cheap because the rotary engine seals wear out too quickly ? Oh, and very thirsty.

Edited by daytona365 on Monday 6th October 11:53

Fastdruid

8,651 posts

153 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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No, They're cheap because they sold ~24k of them and they drink fuel and have high VED.

mattshiz

461 posts

142 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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daytona365 said:
Great looking/driving car but aren't they cheap because the rotary engine seals wear out too quickly ?
They do if not properly maintained.

Theres a R3 model one on Autotrader at the moment with 120,000miles with no mention of an engine rebuild so they can do the miles if looked after.

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

164 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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10 months and still got dealer fit ditch finders on? Whats the point in buying a nice handling car if you don't have good rubber? They are so tyre dependant it should be done on buying the car if there is rubbish fitted.

otolith

56,219 posts

205 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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The R3 had an extra oil injector, so should suffer less wear. Main issue is that coil packs should have been a service item, IMO.

Fastdruid

8,651 posts

153 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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otolith said:
The R3 had an extra oil injector, so should suffer less wear. Main issue is that coil packs should have been a service itembetter quality so they don't die in 30k, IMO.
FTFY.

ianwayne

6,306 posts

269 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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These start at under £1500 for a 2003 edition with 192 bhp. The shocking consumption and reliability (even if exaggerated) has suppressed values. I know a chap with one and he's had electrical ECU issues as well.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/mazda...

The 231 bhp versions fetch more but not much, £2250 here:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

The jump to £500 VED for 2006 onwards will be a killer of these cars.

J4CKO

41,640 posts

201 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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mattshiz said:
daytona365 said:
Great looking/driving car but aren't they cheap because the rotary engine seals wear out too quickly ?
They do if not properly maintained.

Theres a R3 model one on Autotrader at the moment with 120,000miles with no mention of an engine rebuild so they can do the miles if looked after.
So, its either had one and they haven't mentioned it or its due one pretty soon ?

MDMetal

2,776 posts

149 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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It's the small range of values that worries me, most cars will have a healthy range of values from the ones that have some issues and need some loving (money) to the ones that are well looked after and prime examples and command it through the price tag, these have a small range so either they all have problems or there isn't much difference between one with problems and ones that don't.

JackP1

1,269 posts

163 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Coils on mine aswell



20mpg for me so far!

thelawnet

1,539 posts

156 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Very high % of them sitting SORN.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/mazda_rx8

I guess because of high VED and low value, people don't want to pay to not use them over the winter.

RemarkLima

2,375 posts

213 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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Having had a RX7 it's the fearsome fuel consumption that would put me off, for the performance on tap.

I know being NA the seals take significantly less punishment that the twin turbo 13B-REW, so 100k miles shouldn't be a problem. But for the MPG and VED you can get a lot of other choices with more power etc... I doubt they'd handle anywhere near as well, but sadly that's what's kept prices down.

I'd consider one, but they're too juicy for short trips, and too juicy for long trips wink

Lione1 Richie

173 posts

184 months

Monday 6th October 2014
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I had a 192 and then upgraded to a PZ. It was a great all round car. Fantastically comfortable on the motorway, came alive on b-roads and was great fun on track as well.

Ultimately the low range was the death nail for it during my ownership but I still think it looks fantastic and have been thinking about one for a winter hack.....