Really fast cars v bikes?

[anonymous-user]

This is far more interesting

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbLc_hLk-0A

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yep and you're only allowed to go 70mph in the real world so what's the point?

Fast bikes are more accessible and faster on the road than fast cars, that's just a fact.

[abarber]

Enjoyed this a few years ago. Fezza 458 vs the 1198S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPNs3v4m7TA

[rich888]

wormus said:

rich888 said:

Or how about this video on LiveLeak of a race between a R1 and a AMG Merc SL63 on a normal main road in Sweden, all captured on the camera fitted onto the bike. I can only assume the biker did not expect this to happen!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720

That's an R6. R1 would be a different result.

Are you sure about that because I thought the R6 had a far higher rev limit than that shown on the video, which incidentally, was uploaded on the 8th October 2013.

[E24man]

wormus said:

Fast bikes are more accessible and faster on the road than fast cars, that's just a fact.

And bends in the road, passengers, long distances, illnesses, comfort, children, luggage, weather, seasons, ice, snow and rain happens in the real world, that's just a fact.



Six and two threes - it will always be thus.

[E24man]

abarber said:

E24man said:

You can't say a motorcyclist will enjoy his Sunday blast any more or less than a car driver might because it's down to personal taste

Whilst I agree in principle, in practice however, I don't know any active bike riding and car driving friends that pine for a car (even exotica), when seeing a lovely road. A bike is so much more rewarding and involving, also you have much more chance of riding at your chosen speed, as overtaking is much easier.

Now a sunday blast down a(ny) rain soaked motorway road would be a different matter.

FTFY

Edited by E24man on Wednesday 15th October 23:19

[rich888]

Perhaps a blast on the race track like the Nurburgring Nordschleife, which was all going so well until the driver of the Honda CRX was slowed down from what could have been one of his fastest laps by a couple of bikers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHGakdglyaA



Is a brillant video and well worth watching, especially from 8.32 onwards...when the bleep machine went into overdrive!!!

[Zod]

rich888 said:

wormus said:

rich888 said:

Or how about this video on LiveLeak of a race between a R1 and a AMG Merc SL63 on a normal main road in Sweden, all captured on the camera fitted onto the bike. I can only assume the biker did not expect this to happen!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9c_1381241720

That's an R6. R1 would be a different result.

Are you sure about that because I thought the R6 had a far higher rev limit than that shown on the video, which incidentally, was uploaded on the 8th October 2013.

fking stupid road to do that on!

[heebeegeetee]

Biker's Nemesis said:

The Fireblade is a based on a road going model just like the BTTC is.

Surely a BTCC car is a race car from the tyre contact patch up, with some body panels that have to resemble a road car attached to it? There will be some parameters in the race car that are based on the production model, but is there a single component of road car in a BTCC car? Whereas a Fireblade is a road bike, no?

rich888 said:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=785_1382580680

Interesing vid, but does that not show how easy it is to drive a car fast? No special clothes required, no special skills whatsoever, one hand on the wheel, chatting away to the girlfriend, etc.

Whereas the bikers are having to give a hell of a lot more, take much bigger risks, and lets face it they're not achieving hardly any degree of lean in the bends. If they were better riders they'd have their knees and elbows on the tarmac.

[selym]

How has this thread gone from car vs bike (which is a stupid comparison by the way) to how great and skilful bikers are, mostly written by (wait for it) bikers?

[The Mad Monk]

Hasbeen said:

it was watching a lady drive over a poor biker waiting, stationary, to turn right that cured me of bikes.

It wasn't really her fault, the bike was on a curve, & was hidden from her by a truck, until too late for an average driver to miss him. It sure wasn't the bikers fault, he just wanted to turn into a side street.

No it was simply lousy road design that killed the poor bugger,

What would have happened if the driver had been driving at such a speed that they could stop within the distance that they could see to be clear?

The driver killed the biker.

Not the road design.

[bennyboysvuk]

T0MMY said:

The better question is have you ever driven a car very hard, I mean within a few percent of what it would be capable of in anyone's hands? It does suddenly become harder to extract extra time as you get to the sharp end, I really don't think I'm talking out of my arse here but maybe it's just my own experience of these things.

I raced bikes for a few years and had some good results and just a few days ago I found myself in one of the Palmersport single seaters in the lashing rain. I felt like I could try different things to go faster and there was no risk, I'd just spin off into a field (which I did on several occasions). However it still felt like there was little to no risk compared to riding a bike in the same conditions.

To me, bikes feel accurate and direct in a way that even that wonderful, rose jointed, V6 powered single seater didn't. Don't get me wrong, that car is the most wonderful thing I've driven, but compared to a sports bike it felt remote.

I recall a very wet race at Cadwell where I touched the front tyre on the white line on the apex. It slid away from me quite violently, but I stayed on and finished 2nd. It was a proper 'oh st' moment, which you just wouldn't be punished for to that degree in a car.

[Catatafish]

selym said:

How has this thread gone from car vs bike (which is a stupid comparison by the way) to how great and skilful bikers are, mostly written by (wait for it) bikers?

I think it's safe to say that bikers risk their lives and limbs when pushing, and use their whole body in a concerted manner, whereas the person in the fast car can stay with them at 6/10s and still have spare capacitity to talk/swear/upload vid to youtube etc.

Imagine if the fast car driver's spine would be shattered if they made a single mistake at speed...

[T0MMY]

bennyboysvuk said:

I raced bikes for a few years and had some good results and just a few days ago I found myself in one of the Palmersport single seaters in the lashing rain. I felt like I could try different things to go faster and there was no risk, I'd just spin off into a field (which I did on several occasions). However it still felt like there was little to no risk compared to riding a bike in the same conditions.

To me, bikes feel accurate and direct in a way that even that wonderful, rose jointed, V6 powered single seater didn't. Don't get me wrong, that car is the most wonderful thing I've driven, but compared to a sports bike it felt remote.

I recall a very wet race at Cadwell where I touched the front tyre on the white line on the apex. It slid away from me quite violently, but I stayed on and finished 2nd. It was a proper 'oh st' moment, which you just wouldn't be punished for to that degree in a car.

Well like I say, I can only speak for myself but I find the two disciplines fairly similar. I agree there's more risk on a bike for sure, I just don't agree it takes more skill to ride than drive on the edge. More balls maybe but similar skill.

Catatafish said:

I think it's safe to say that bikers risk their lives and limbs when pushing, and use their whole body in a concerted manner, whereas the person in the fast car can stay with them at 6/10s and still have spare capacitity to talk/swear/upload vid to youtube etc.

Imagine if the fast car driver's spine would be shattered if they made a single mistake at speed...

Not sure going 200mph in a straight line is any harder on a bike than in a car, in fact in my experience bikes are far more stable at high speed. The outcome of a crash in either vehicle at that speed is probably going to require identification by your dentist rather than your wife too.

Edited by T0MMY on Thursday 16th October 08:41

[Biker's Nemesis]

Of course it takes more skill to ride a bike near the limit, I know, I do it quite often.

Have you tried it.

[T0MMY]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Of course it takes more skill to ride a bike near the limit, I know, I do it quite often.

Have you tried it.

Yes I have. Have you driven a car right on the limit?

[WinstonWolf]

T0MMY said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

Of course it takes more skill to ride a bike near the limit, I know, I do it quite often.

Have you tried it.

Yes I have. Have you driven a car right on the limit?

That's the difference, when you find the limit in a car it slides. When you find the limit on a bike you're spitting gravel for a week, if you're lucky...

[xRIEx]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Of course it takes more skill to ride a bike near the limit, I know, I do it quite often.

Have you tried it.

"The limit" is something of an imaginary concept though - there's almost always someone else who could push the same vehicle further. The 'limits' of cars and bikes are different but not in the sense of 'more/less skill' but different skills. A good rider will probably struggle first time in a car, and vice versa for a good driver.

Look at Rossi in F1 test(s) and WRC - not a patch on his skill on bikes. Different skills required, that's all.

[T0MMY]

WinstonWolf said:

That's the difference, when you find the limit in a car it slides. When you find the limit on a bike you're spitting gravel for a week, if you're lucky...

Erm, no, when you find the limit on a bike it also slides. Losing traction on a bike doesn't necessarily result in a crash, even if it's at the front end. It is certainly easier to crash a bike than a car but we're talking about the skill of trying to go as fast as possible. Overcooking it on a bike may have worse consequences than in a car but the point is, is it any harder to get to the point of going as fast as possible without overcooking it?

Edited by T0MMY on Thursday 16th October 09:38

[WinstonWolf]

T0MMY said:

WinstonWolf said:

That's the difference, when you find the limit in a car it slides. When you find the limit on a bike you're spitting gravel for a week, if you're lucky...

Erm, no, when you find the limit on a bike it also slides. Losing traction on a bike doesn't necessarily result in a crash, even if it's at the front end. It is certainly easier to crash a bike than a car but we're talking about the skill of trying to go as fast as possible. Overcooking it on a bike may have worse consequences than in a car but the point is, is it any harder to get to the point of going as fast as possible without overcooking it?

Right before it falls on its side or spits you over the top. Any idiot can slide a car, saving a slide on a bike takes a lot of skill and a degree of luck.

If you don't correct a skid in a car it will sort itself out in time, a bike won't.