Really fast cars v bikes?

[T0MMY]

Biker's Nemesis said:

I went throught it. Anyway, keep your eyes prrled in BB next year I always post when Im on track, you should come along and see if I am full of st.

Apologies, so you did, hard to follow the lap with the camera angle. So only 9 seconds slower rather than 14 over the lap + whatever the difference is between a 600 and a 1000.

[dapearson]

[anonymous-user]

T0MMY said:

Apologies, so you did, hard to follow the lap with the camera angle. So only 9 seconds slower rather than 14 over the lap + whatever the difference is between a 600 and a 1000.

All 4 strokes are st anyways :P

Lighten up the pair of you!

[Biker's Nemesis]

T0MMY said:

Anyway, now we both look like a pair of willy waving tts.

My willy is defiantly bigger than yours.

[T0MMY]

Please don't post up any you tube videos to prove that one

Edited by T0MMY on Thursday 16th October 19:00

[anonymous-user]

rich888 said:

Are you sure about that because I thought the R6 had a far higher rev limit than that shown on the video, which incidentally, was uploaded on the 8th October 2013.

Actually I think you're right, it is an R1. Looked like it was revving all the way to 15k on my smartphone, now on a bigger screen so can see properly. In which case his bike is broken, he's not trying hard enough or that's one very fast car!

[anonymous-user]

rich888 said:

Perhaps a blast on the race track like the Nurburgring Nordschleife, which was all going so well until the driver of the Honda CRX was slowed down from what could have been one of his fastest laps by a couple of bikers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHGakdglyaA



Is a brillant video and well worth watching, especially from 8.32 onwards...when the bleep machine went into overdrive!!!

Our man on the bike would have finished and opened a beer by then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inc9cGasgsA

[liner33]

Marc p said:

I have noticed some people talk about tuned bikes just obliterating cars and that no car could keep up with a tuned bike, well, I think you guys need to get yourself out to TX2k, I fly out to Texas every year for it and this is where some seriously fast street cars and bikes meet for a long weekend.

I have seen street bikes at TX2k with nitrous, massive turbos, bigger engines and also jet engines! Yet, not once has a bike been able to get close to the fastest cars (TT Gallardos, Supras, GTRs, Corvettes).

To be fair that might mean that the really quick stuff doesnt go. I dunno I have never been

These street based bikes run here in the UK , run street tyres and petrol etc dont know if many/any bother with mot's etc but significantly more streetable than RV3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7q-K-uyHDk

[liner33]

I have to say I dont miss bikes at all , had quite a few years riding fast bikes on the road and very fast bikes on the drag strip and whilst cars dont give you the same thrill its better in other ways , I enjoy my Sunday morning blasts in the car just as much as I ever did on the bike.

I do agree its more demanding to make fast progress on a bike than car but no less entertaining or rewarding.

[Renn Sport]

Opp been away from the site err 'working' so now the world isn't going to end at work here I am.

Tommy... well you do ride and thanks for qualifying it. It wasn't a rude question, because I needed to understand if we both had the context of experience. However I have to say you are the only man I know who would say the skill to drive a car verses ride a bike is similar. No much of debate left really as you are of course entitled to your opinion.

I cannot disagree anymore then I do with you. I have ridden bike at my limit and driven a 911 at my limits and think of myself as above average (as most PH'ers do) in driving and riding terms. Its not the same and the many car and bike enthusiasts I know don't think so either. A bike is MUCH harder to ride fast at or near the limit then a car.

In my best Forest Gump; 'That's all I have to say about that'.

[T0MMY]

Don't forget that what I actually said was it does indeed take a lot more skill to go quite fast on a bike than in a car. Any fool can bomb around a track at a half decent pace in a car, the proof is in the difference between bike and car trackdays.

Where I suggested there was parity was at the level of pushing really, properly hard, not at your own limit necessarily, at the vehicle's limit. e.g. I don't think F1 drivers need less skill than MotoGP riders for example.

[RobM77]

T0MMY said:

Don't forget that what I actually said was it does indeed take a lot more skill to go quite fast on a bike than in a car. Any fool can bomb around a track at a half decent pace in a car, the proof is in the difference between bike and car trackdays.

Where I suggested there was parity was at the level of pushing really, properly hard, not at your own limit necessarily, at the vehicle's limit. e.g. I don't think F1 drivers need less skill than MotoGP riders for example.

I agree with that entirely. I do wonder if a lot of posters on here have actually driven or been driven at a proper racing pace before in a car, or indeed tried a car that's as fast or faster than a quick bike.

[Gandahar]

This argument of cars v bikes is like meeting the most sexy and attractive girl in the world and arguing over which of the 3 entry points are best.

hey are all good.

I loved my Kwacker 600 until it broke my back and now I love my automatic MX5 especially as it weaved badly around the Tesco's roundabout at 4.45am this morning as I failed to get a decent drift and just ended up rather dizzy!

It's not what you drive, it's how you drive it. Equally badly in my case for both, but aged 45 at least I am still trying to age disgracefully.

Just enjoy both while you can.

[anonymous-user]

RobM77 said:

I agree with that entirely. I do wonder if a lot of posters on here have actually driven or been driven at a proper racing pace before in a car, or indeed tried a car that's as fast or faster than a quick bike.

I think many people are referring to road bikes vs road cars where most of us spend our lives when we travel about. Not many people have an F1 car or top fuel dragster in their garage to prove otherwise. What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.

My Monaro for example is ballistically fast but in the dry at least with fat tyres, weight and traction control pretty manageable. My bike on the other hand is terrifying in a straight line. Power to weight makes all the difference on the road & little point having something that gets into its stride over 100 mph. Still love both but the bike is way faster in most situations. This gives you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt4mk70LdA8

[Gandahar]

T0MMY said:

Don't forget that what I actually said was it does indeed take a lot more skill to go quite fast on a bike than in a car. Any fool can bomb around a track at a half decent pace in a car, the proof is in the difference between bike and car trackdays.

Where I suggested there was parity was at the level of pushing really, properly hard, not at your own limit necessarily, at the vehicle's limit. e.g. I don't think F1 drivers need less skill than MotoGP riders for example.

Good difference shown here with Evo on the skill the rider had to do to beat the Audi and neither driver was a dumbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXVQoB2caI

Neil was really on it there on the acceleration with the darkies and on the brakes. Had to do that to beat the car driver. Most people could not do that.

With a bike the main limitation is the tt in the seat. Which means you can appreciate what Rossi, Jorge and MM do even more so.

[Terminator X]

jjr1 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLqa4vlmFI

A moral victory for the bike and a surprisingly slow Porsche......

Great vid! Put all 3 on a track and the cars would just fk off surely?

TX.

[Mastodon2]

wormus said:

I think many people are referring to road bikes vs road cars where most of us spend our lives when we travel about. Not many people have an F1 car or top fuel dragster in their garage to prove otherwise. What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.

My Monaro for example is ballistically fast but in the dry at least with fat tyres, weight and traction control pretty manageable. My bike on the other hand is terrifying in a straight line. Power to weight makes all the difference on the road & little point having something that gets into its stride over 100 mph. Still love both but the bike is way faster in most situations. This gives you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt4mk70LdA8

There'll be someone along soon to tell you that you can only do 70mph on UK roads so bikes like that are pointless.

[Terminator X]

Mastodon2 said:

As usual, missing the point entirely -it isn't the performance, the cost for that level of performance etc that makes bikes so good, it's bloody fun they are. Car drivers get obsessed about this sort of thing, but I can appreciate it's an easy trap to fall into if you've not had a go on a bike. A car just cannot replicate the feelings you get from a motorcycle - it's amazing how remote high performance cars can feel when you're sitting in a glass and metal bubble. I often hear people talking about Caterhams as being "the closest thing to a bike with 4 wheels", which is perhaps not far wrong, but then again, it's a million miles from a bike.

I'd strongly recommend anyone who has even a glimmer of curiosity about riding a bike to do their CBT. Even when you're on a 125, which are epically slow, you'll string a couple of bends together, leaning and balancing the bike nicely as you go and you'll feel amazing. Most bikers will tell you that the corners are better than the straights and it's true - you can get that cornering buzz on any bike, some are just better than others at it. The ballistic straight-line performance is a bonus, the icing on the cake, not the cake itself. I will admit that the capability to overtake just about anything, using smaller gaps and being able to filter do make things much more pleasant.

Of course, there is the danger element, not everyone is comfortable with the risk and that's fair enough. It's not for everyone. It's worth keeping in mind you're only one mistake away from a life-changing injury, or worse. Loads of people I've talked to have said they're "too mad for a bike, I'd kill myself" or "My wife wouldn't let me", "I don't have any friends who do it" etc, are not fooling anyone, least of all themselves. The one thing almost every biker I've talked to says is "I wish I'd done it sooner".

Not for all of us though indeed. I would be and indeed am too concerned about a very near and fiery death to even contemplate getting on a bike.

TX.

[Terminator X]

wormus said:

I don't know why they chose a 65k Ducati when an S1000r BMW or ZZR would have probably done a better job? For 15k you can buy a ZZR, drop it in to BIGCC for a turbo and end up with a 450hp, 250mph bike. The cars wouldn't even come close.

Ah the old modded bike vs standard car cliché

TX.

[RobM77]

wormus said:

RobM77 said:

I agree with that entirely. I do wonder if a lot of posters on here have actually driven or been driven at a proper racing pace before in a car, or indeed tried a car that's as fast or faster than a quick bike.

I think many people are referring to road bikes vs road cars where most of us spend our lives when we travel about. Not many people have an F1 car or top fuel dragster in their garage to prove otherwise. What is does illustrate is you can spend less than £5k on a bike that will eat a £100k supercar for breakfast or at least give it a good run for the money. Most people on here will never drive let alone own a proper supercar but many of us can and do own bikes.

My Monaro for example is ballistically fast but in the dry at least with fat tyres, weight and traction control pretty manageable. My bike on the other hand is terrifying in a straight line. Power to weight makes all the difference on the road & little point having something that gets into its stride over 100 mph. Still love both but the bike is way faster in most situations. This gives you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt4mk70LdA8

I agree with that too. 99.9% of road cars are built for fat people to get to work in, and if they're performance cars they're designed as a compromise between that and fast road (911) or even track use (GT3). In contrast, a fair percentage of bikes are sports bikes and maybe half of those are uncompromising superbikes built for enthusiasts.