RE: Toyota GT86 facelift details

[Conscript]

Yuk to the spoiler, but the wheels do look a lot better.

[chrispmartha]

Although, it probably needs that spoiler with all that power ;-)

[Stig]

Wheels good - rest = crashed into Halfords.

[liner33]

It comes with a carrying handle as my mum would say

[swisstoni]

Jeez - I've already said they should be applauded for making a pure drivers car but it's a shame that purity isn't reflected
on the outside.

[Kozy]

I like big silly wings, but that's a bit too big. Something akin to the old Mk4 Supra would have been better.

[s m]

Kolbenkopp said:

s m said:

Bits of this thread remind me of what happened to the old affordable rwd coupes back in the mid/late 80s. It was re-hashes of old cars back then rather than a whole new model but it seems a similar situation

Brilliant piece of historical context. Thanks a ton for that, s m. Stuff like this really makes this forum so special, would never have had the chance to get period text from the UK on the topic if it wasn't for PH and the generous and knowleadgeable posters it attracts.

The UK public must have had more of an appetite for rwd coupes back then ( either that or we didn't have the fast diesels to buy ) - 5 years after the facelift, Opel were still selling over 4000 Mantas a year and stuff like the faster Golf 16v and 1.9 205 was on sale




Back to the GT86, I like the wheels but not the big rear hoop wing.

I wonder how much the Advans affect the character of the car ( slidey nature etc )

Edited by s m on Thursday 23 October 19:18

[stargazer30]

W124 said:

loose cannon said:

What utter tripe people bought the hot hatches that don't have lots of under steer out handle the gt86 and funnily enough have 21st century power levels the gt 86 has failed to be a big seller simply because it's to slow ! maybe if they actually listened to the customer and made it 250 bhp min it would sell like hot cakes, getting blown away by a 1.5 dci is not what you want from a sports car lol maybe ok for the 50 plus brigade but it isn't cutting it for most unfortunately
Shame as its not a bad looker bar the lexarse rear lights

It's not really that slow. Have you driven one? Or any of the hatches it's rival to? Yes the 135i is way faster, but it's bit woolly in comparison. It really is. It also costs a lot more in reality and isn't really a rival. Ditto the S3 (great car though that - underrated) and the Golf R. The GTI is more expensive than the GT-86 and when you add the GTI pack (or whatever it's called) it get's too expensive to really compete. At 24 Grand - what is close? Of course there is the Megane, and that really does go and stop in a different league but then it's equally as impractical as the GT-86 getting long in the tooth now. The GT-86 should really be seen as a step up from the Clio Cup and Fiesta RS, rather than a step down from the GTI et al. The 135i, S3 and even the GTI are in another price bracket.

It's not slow though. Really. It's as fast as a Civic type R, say, because it's light. It's fast.

On paper they are slightly faster than the FN2 CTR I drive. Even my "slow" FN2 has no issues dispatching your average 2L TDI hatch, so I doubt any 1.5D is going to outrun a GT86. I am of similar opinion on power. I prefer the FN2 to the 260bhp Focus STs I used to bomb about in.

[Soupie69uk]

hora said:

Would those alloys (PCD etc) fit on my Subaru? They'd look nice (black paint too).

You will be able to buy oz alloys online no problem.

[liner33]

You will however fall foul of the "Subaru" law which requires all owners to have gold wheels

[Martin_Hx]

That does look nice... if you lose the rear spoiler!

[greggy50]

That spoiler is fking hilarious

Could understand if it was a turbo nutter edition with 350hp or something but on a stock engine that ridiculous!

[Marc p]

I think it looks nice.......bar the rear spoiler, that just looks stupid.

[ORD]

I do like the interior but the bodykit, including that absurd spoiler, is unforgivable. Why try to look like a baby GTR when the GTR is just about the tackiest-looking piece of crap on 4 wheels?

[vincevega]

As the owner of a standard GT86 I am genuinely embarrased by that bewinged effort. That rear wing is the automotive equivalent of a fully tatooed neck. A poor effort Toyota.

[MC Bodge]

vincevega said:

As the owner of a standard GT86 I am genuinely embarrased by that bewinged effort. That rear wing is the automotive equivalent of a fully tatooed neck. A poor effort Toyota.

That is tattoo-ist, that is. The spoiler us far, far worse.

Is it the Bososuku edition?

[MC Bodge]

vincevega said:

As the owner of a standard GT86 I am genuinely embarrased by that bewinged effort. That rear wing is the automotive equivalent of a fully tatooed neck. A poor effort Toyota.

That is tattoo-ist, that is. The spoiler us far, far worse.

Is it the Bososuku edition?

[BristolLee]

Dear lord, how is this debate STILL going?


As several other people have said before (and i've said in other threads), other than the drivetrain configuration (FWD vs RWD), there really isn't much between the Gen 7 Celica (190bhp cars) and the GT86.

Celica - 190bhp @6400RPM, 141lb/ft, approx 1250kg, GT86/BRZ 197bhp @ about 6400RPM, 151lb/ft approx 1250kg.

The Celica was never proclaimed to be slow even if it was/is hard work. So why is the GT86 still being called it.

To any of the PH team that may be reading, I have a stock, well maintained 2005 Celica T-Sport (190bhp). I'm more than happy to put my car in the mix for a comparison test to the GT86/BRZ to see the progress (or lack of).

I've driven the GT86 (auto, manual, drifting and the CSV3 customer racer, as well as the AE86 too) and it's not a slow car. The power is more linear than the old screamer motors with VVTLi or Honda VTEC units (the DC5 Integra is never considered slow either, is it?!), and not quite as much of an event to extract, but a bit of forward planning and some stirring of the gearknob is all it takes to make it fast on the public road; which is ultimately what makes the drive rewarding, having to DO something to make the progress.

[chrispmartha]

BristolLee said:

The Celica was never proclaimed to be slow even if it was/is hard work. So why is the GT86 still being called it.

Probably because things change. Things move on and cars have got faster and more powerful.

[s m]

chrispmartha said:

BristolLee said:

The Celica was never proclaimed to be slow even if it was/is hard work. So why is the GT86 still being called it.

Probably because things change. Things move on and cars have got faster and more powerful.

The more interesting thing for me is how appetites for coupes have altered over the years, with the Celica having sold more units in any one year from 2000 -> 2004 than the GT86 has sold since introduction. Similar with some of the old coupes back in the 80s - even though faster hot hatches were available

I'll be interested to see an aero Kit car on the road though