Ludgate Circus cyclist tipper lorry
Discussion
Have any attempts ever been made to create a sensor array, similar to parking sensors found on most modern cars, to be installed on these larger vehicles. For example they are activated when the left indicator is active and informs the driver when and if there is an object within say 2 or 3 feet of the sensors.
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Digger said:
Have any attempts ever been made to create a sensor array, similar to parking sensors found on most modern cars, to be installed on these larger vehicles. For example they are activated when the left indicator is active and informs the driver when and if there is an object within say 2 or 3 feet of the sensors.
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Bollards etc would just be a nightmare, roadside furniture etc would trigger a load of sensors.?
cossy400 said:
All the mirrors/CCTV in the world is not going to help when the drivers only got one pair of eyes to look at each different point of view.
That x100.Driving in London is a pig because everyone is trying to squeeze into every little gap to stop someone else getting in there. It's not even slightly possible to look into mirrors whilst negotiating a junction, you merely glance at them a few times during the maneuver. It's not like driving a car as you have to watch the inside of the vehicle, the front corner of the trailer as it overhangs the unit, the offside corner of the trailer as it swings out and look further down the road you are travelling down as you have to plan 50 meters ahead at all times because of the limited space.
It's an art form and not difficult to do once you've mastered it but it but it does mean that things like cyclists trying to squeeze through gaps can sneak up on you whilst you was looking at something else.
Digger said:
Have any attempts ever been made to create a sensor array, similar to parking sensors found on most modern cars, to be installed on these larger vehicles. For example they are activated when the left indicator is active and informs the driver when and if there is an object within say 2 or 3 feet of the sensors.
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There have been trials of 'safety Camera' which seem to be preventing blind-side accidents--> Clicky?
The Vambo said:
thelawnet said:
What a ridiculous comment. The cities with most bicycles are places like Copenhagen and Amsterdam. Mumbai is choked with cars. Horrible.
Ridiculous? This wont be Hanoi on an average day then?Nice to see that there are people still prepared to be upset and offended on other peoples behalf.
ks!!That's Vauxhall Bridge Road on a Monday morning. You've flipped the pic round so everybody is on the wrong side of the road.
dacouch said:
Dammit said:
Also, the hgv shown is an artic and the view from those change/is lost as the cab turns.
However, few of these accidents seem to involve articulated lorries, and in any case it's not just about blind spots, we also need to recognise that due to the width of these vehicles it's not possible to use peripheral vision, much head swivelling is required and we need to be certain that drivers aren't being asked to look three ways at once.
You can have all the mirrors in the world but if you are turning left there are an unbelievable amount of thing you have to monitor, especially where the angles are tight, it is physically impossible to watch everything.
Just look how much of a truck, even with just a small bit of lock is not clearly visible from the drivers seat,
In this instance a driver of a UK truck in a built up area is-
Make sure that your back bar isn't going to catch anything.
Checking the closing dead space on the N/S.
Checking that N/S/R wheel will clear the angle of the kerb as is comes round.
Checking for people/stuff below the windscreen line. (seriously, people stand there)
Watching the O/S/F corner will clear the car that will be waiting opposite.
Watching the O/S/F corner of the trailer to clear the same car.
Watching for the massive O/S blind spot to clear.
Often at 10-15 mph so a 5 second watch is required.
A truck simply has to be given the space, very few motorcycles have a problem with trucks because they have been trained to recognise the dangerous situations and the "in the right but dead" consequences.
I cannot think of one single other situation in life where deaths have not resulted in mandatory licensing and training.
Someone mentioned Occam's razor, that would tell you that training makes everyone better at something so just make official training a requirement for the untrained.
Just look how much of a truck, even with just a small bit of lock is not clearly visible from the drivers seat,
In this instance a driver of a UK truck in a built up area is-
Make sure that your back bar isn't going to catch anything.
Checking the closing dead space on the N/S.
Checking that N/S/R wheel will clear the angle of the kerb as is comes round.
Checking for people/stuff below the windscreen line. (seriously, people stand there)
Watching the O/S/F corner will clear the car that will be waiting opposite.
Watching the O/S/F corner of the trailer to clear the same car.
Watching for the massive O/S blind spot to clear.
Often at 10-15 mph so a 5 second watch is required.
A truck simply has to be given the space, very few motorcycles have a problem with trucks because they have been trained to recognise the dangerous situations and the "in the right but dead" consequences.
I cannot think of one single other situation in life where deaths have not resulted in mandatory licensing and training.
Someone mentioned Occam's razor, that would tell you that training makes everyone better at something so just make official training a requirement for the untrained.
saaby93 said:
It would be a start if an HGV it could use somthing like reverse sensors on the side so if something is in range and the steering wheel's turned it shouts 'Watch out behind vehicle turning'
The thing with speakers on the outside of vehicles is that people rarely listen to them, I've had both speaking ones and beeping ones for reversing and everyone still just walks behind me.We trialed some beeping things inside the cab like reversing sensors, if the indicator was on and there was something next to the vehicle a speaker would beep and alert the driver. Next time that you're sitting at a junction look at all of the street furniture on the pavement, it would beep every time the indicator was on so was virtually useless.
Digger said:
Have any attempts ever been made to create a sensor array, similar to parking sensors found on most modern cars, to be installed on these larger vehicles. For example they are activated when the left indicator is active and informs the driver when and if there is an object within say 2 or 3 feet of the sensors.
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Really I think that cyclists should use their built in sensor arrays, i.e. eyes. Doing this they won't turn on the inside of trucks.?
I have "London proofed" our latest Lorry as best I can, we have a front wide angle mirror that looks down and across the front of the vehicle, we have two mirrors on each door the top of these are wide angle and we have a sensor array down the left side that is proximity sensitive and will warn both the driver and the person/cyclist that the vehicle is turning left in a very authoritative voice.
The lorry is fitted with signs suggesting the left side is not a good place to be, we have repeater indicators so those silly enough to try and nip down the inside while the lorry is turning can see flashy lights.
To be honest I feel like I have done my bit, I know I cant see all around the lorry all the time so exercise as much caution as is practical. Any more caution on my part would see me sitting at home on the sofa on the dole because I was too scared to drive !
Time to educate the children at school like we used to, cycling proficiency and green cross code/tufty club time again and also have a nice TV advert campaign for the adults.
I ride a bicycle as well as drive a lorry, I think it should be great for anyone driving a lorry to have to do an hours cycling for the CPC in busy traffic and anyone cycling to have to have a sit or a go in a HGV so people can see both sides of the problem.
The lorry is fitted with signs suggesting the left side is not a good place to be, we have repeater indicators so those silly enough to try and nip down the inside while the lorry is turning can see flashy lights.
To be honest I feel like I have done my bit, I know I cant see all around the lorry all the time so exercise as much caution as is practical. Any more caution on my part would see me sitting at home on the sofa on the dole because I was too scared to drive !
Time to educate the children at school like we used to, cycling proficiency and green cross code/tufty club time again and also have a nice TV advert campaign for the adults.
I ride a bicycle as well as drive a lorry, I think it should be great for anyone driving a lorry to have to do an hours cycling for the CPC in busy traffic and anyone cycling to have to have a sit or a go in a HGV so people can see both sides of the problem.
St John Smythe said:
Really I think that cyclists should use their built in sensor arrays, i.e. eyes. Doing this they won't turn on the inside of trucks.
At the risk of going around in a circle. They do use their eyes. They see this nice comfortable gap between the kerb and the front of the truck.What they dont see is the truck rear wheels behind heading straight for them
Or so we're led to believe
Blakewater said:
A friend of mine visited London not so long ago and a cyclist nearly hit her. It was Boris Johnson himself hooning like a maniac on his bicycle and not paying proper attention to those around him.
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