Ludgate Circus cyclist tipper lorry
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If anyone on a bike cannot understand that it is not a good idea to filter up the left side of an artic, tipper or bus near any junctions, then they need their head tested. As was said many pages ago, it matters little whether it's the cyclist's fault or the driver's fault, there's only one party here that will always lose.
I have every right in the world to jump into a bonfire or off a building. Might not be the smartest, defensive manoeuvre though on reflection.
I have every right in the world to jump into a bonfire or off a building. Might not be the smartest, defensive manoeuvre though on reflection.
Beer Man said:
I cycle. A lot.
I also drive in London. A lot.
I'd never cycle in London. At all. Ever. And I'm a sensible cyclist.
I've done nearly 20,000 miles through Central London on a bike. Not fallen off once. Never had any major issues tbh. It's not at all that bad. Thousands manage it daily without incident. I also drive in London. A lot.
I'd never cycle in London. At all. Ever. And I'm a sensible cyclist.
Diderot said:
If anyone on a bike cannot understand that it is not a good idea to filter up the left side of an artic, tipper or bus near any junctions, then they need their head tested. As was said many pages ago, it matters little whether it's the cyclist's fault or the driver's fault, there's only one party here that will always lose.
I have every right in the world to jump into a bonfire or off a building. Might not be the smartest, defensive manoeuvre though on reflection.
Since you're not the smartest poster on Pistonheads, I might be able to talk you into it.I have every right in the world to jump into a bonfire or off a building. Might not be the smartest, defensive manoeuvre though on reflection.
But all joking aside, do I really need to re-state that a cyclist doesn't need to be undertaking, or indeed anything wrong at all, to get run over?
Here's a driving lesson for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMLHHYLZH7o
Well that must have been nice for you. I can understand the reasons to get out of Peterborough but then to London????
I was unfortunate enough to witness first hand the one at the Bow roundabout late last year (one of the many in a short period of time) and my view, seeing as I was there (and that was a PROPER bloody mess) and I told the Police at the time, they were BOTH at fault in that instance but, unfortunately the outcome was more than scrape.
The tipper drivers, as mentioned earlier in the thread, really seem to be on a single track mission, to tear arse through London to the East as fast as possible. Is it true they're paid by the load? That would explain some of the wrecklessness of them.
HOWEVER, the standard of ALL road users in London is, quite frankly, utterly shocking. No one group of road users is any less guilty than the other. PCO minicabbers however, are probably the worst of the lot, not just the Addison Lee bunch (and they're dreadful!)
I was unfortunate enough to witness first hand the one at the Bow roundabout late last year (one of the many in a short period of time) and my view, seeing as I was there (and that was a PROPER bloody mess) and I told the Police at the time, they were BOTH at fault in that instance but, unfortunately the outcome was more than scrape.
The tipper drivers, as mentioned earlier in the thread, really seem to be on a single track mission, to tear arse through London to the East as fast as possible. Is it true they're paid by the load? That would explain some of the wrecklessness of them.
HOWEVER, the standard of ALL road users in London is, quite frankly, utterly shocking. No one group of road users is any less guilty than the other. PCO minicabbers however, are probably the worst of the lot, not just the Addison Lee bunch (and they're dreadful!)
Mr Gear said:
Diderot said:
If anyone on a bike cannot understand that it is not a good idea to filter up the left side of an artic, tipper or bus near any junctions, then they need their head tested. As was said many pages ago, it matters little whether it's the cyclist's fault or the driver's fault, there's only one party here that will always lose.
I have every right in the world to jump into a bonfire or off a building. Might not be the smartest, defensive manoeuvre though on reflection.
Since you're not the smartest poster on Pistonheads, I might be able to talk you into it.I have every right in the world to jump into a bonfire or off a building. Might not be the smartest, defensive manoeuvre though on reflection.
But all joking aside, do I really need to re-state that a cyclist doesn't need to be undertaking, or indeed anything wrong at all, to get run over?
Here's a driving lesson for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMLHHYLZH7o
Harji said:
Less heavy vehicles on the road is always a good thing right? Protecting cyclists is a good thing right? I didn't say because of popularity. I'm sure most other road users wouldn't mind seeing HGV's off the roads in AM peak hours. Yes I agree more cars may use the roads, but where I live in London, there are not many work places that accommodate them so there may not be a great change , I can see what you suggest happening in other places though.
As for the HGV's,they are parked somewhere, it just means a more flexible approach to deliveries and duties. We don't really think outside of the norm in this country, it's why we lag behind other European countries that we should be on par with (Denmark, Germany, Holland) with regards to road quality, building and provision for cyclists.
My wife is scared to cycle the roads here, but recently did two hours on a Sedgeway in Cologne or Berlin, she felt at ease and safe. Also you have to keep both hands on the Sedgeway, so no signalling with your arms at junctions and there are no indicators, so all drivers anticipated if you were turning and adjusted to it when approaching junctions. Totally unlike here where I sometimes think we are the most selfish society in the world.
Do you realise that most HGVs are not allowed to use the majority of London's roads between 9pm and 7am Monday to Friday, that means they have to deliver between those hours as well as being able to get to and from their base and abide by their tacho hours. If they're not allowed to move their vehicles in the evening rush hour where do you propose they park in Central London without causing chaos or do you propose they drive out of London at 3pmAs for the HGV's,they are parked somewhere, it just means a more flexible approach to deliveries and duties. We don't really think outside of the norm in this country, it's why we lag behind other European countries that we should be on par with (Denmark, Germany, Holland) with regards to road quality, building and provision for cyclists.
My wife is scared to cycle the roads here, but recently did two hours on a Sedgeway in Cologne or Berlin, she felt at ease and safe. Also you have to keep both hands on the Sedgeway, so no signalling with your arms at junctions and there are no indicators, so all drivers anticipated if you were turning and adjusted to it when approaching junctions. Totally unlike here where I sometimes think we are the most selfish society in the world.
Beer Man said:
Well that must have been nice for you. I can understand the reasons to get out of Peterborough but then to London????
I was unfortunate enough to witness first hand the one at the Bow roundabout late last year (one of the many in a short period of time) and my view, seeing as I was there (and that was a PROPER bloody mess) and I told the Police at the time, they were BOTH at fault in that instance but, unfortunately the outcome was more than scrape.
The tipper drivers, as mentioned earlier in the thread, really seem to be on a single track mission, to tear arse through London to the East as fast as possible. Is it true they're paid by the load? That would explain some of the wrecklessness of them.
HOWEVER, the standard of ALL road users in London is, quite frankly, utterly shocking. No one group of road users is any less guilty than the other. PCO minicabbers however, are probably the worst of the lot, not just the Addison Lee bunch (and they're dreadful!)
I think you stand a better chance of avoiding a coming together if you both drive and cycle as you have a better understanding of what others are likely to do in a given situation...I was unfortunate enough to witness first hand the one at the Bow roundabout late last year (one of the many in a short period of time) and my view, seeing as I was there (and that was a PROPER bloody mess) and I told the Police at the time, they were BOTH at fault in that instance but, unfortunately the outcome was more than scrape.
The tipper drivers, as mentioned earlier in the thread, really seem to be on a single track mission, to tear arse through London to the East as fast as possible. Is it true they're paid by the load? That would explain some of the wrecklessness of them.
HOWEVER, the standard of ALL road users in London is, quite frankly, utterly shocking. No one group of road users is any less guilty than the other. PCO minicabbers however, are probably the worst of the lot, not just the Addison Lee bunch (and they're dreadful!)
Diderot said:
Maybe you were dropped on your head as a child or you've fallen off your bicycle too often attempting to evade lorries turning left? I have a PhD, do you...? No matter, I tell you what, I'd be inclined to let Darwin settle this little wager (hypothetically speaking since I'd not like to see any more blood spilled on the streets of London out of stupidity and arrogance) - I'm sure your lycra and go pro will save you. Where Angels fear to tread and all that chap.
In other words, I have yet again exposed that you have nothing to add to cycling threads except the same old ignorant cliches and insults.
Mr Gear said:
Diderot said:
Maybe you were dropped on your head as a child or you've fallen off your bicycle too often attempting to evade lorries turning left? I have a PhD, do you...? No matter, I tell you what, I'd be inclined to let Darwin settle this little wager (hypothetically speaking since I'd not like to see any more blood spilled on the streets of London out of stupidity and arrogance) - I'm sure your lycra and go pro will save you. Where Angels fear to tread and all that chap.
In other words, I have yet again exposed that you have nothing to add to cycling threads except the same old ignorant cliches and insults.
k there's a good chap. You do exactly as you please. Let's hope that given your profound arrogance, ignorance and stupidity you do not become a statistic. You was in the right innit. heebeegeetee said:
The Vambo said:
You and your analogy are correct
Being "ahead" on the road, no matter how you got there, gives right of way.
The cycles were in a cycle lane. Bob wanted to cross the cycle lane. The cycles had priority over Bob, is how it sounds to me.Being "ahead" on the road, no matter how you got there, gives right of way.
Bob had just overtaken them and then thought they should stop, so why overtake in the first place?
Are we saying that even if i am 20-30 yards in front, indicating left at a junction, they still have priority and i have to physically stop incase there is a cyclist?
Mr Gear said:
Diderot said:
off you fk there's a good chap. You do exactly as you please. Let's hope that given your profound arrogance, ignorance and stupidity you do not become a statistic. You was in the right innit.
Any more? This is really making you look very smart indeed.k there's a good chap. You do exactly as you please. Let's hope that given your profound arrogance, ignorance and stupidity you do not become a statistic. You was in the right innit. Mind you, for the record, I'll have you know that I'm currently sporting a rather fine linen shirt I picked up in Utrecht, hand made chinos and some pretty decent loafers. Underwear isn't too shabby either. Only thing that lets the rest down is my hair. Needs a cut as I my wife keeps reminding me. And it's a bit grey these days worrying about cyclists filtering up the inside of HGVs.
BobSaunders said:
I "overtook" them with adequate space in front to perform the overtake, i indicated left with adequate time to show my intention to all road users, a car in front slowed forcing me to slow slightly, i was at the junction first and indicating left - does this not scream a left turn is about to occur to the cyclists?
Are we saying that even if i am 20-30 yards in front, indicating left at a junction, they still have priority and i have to physically stop incase there is a cyclist?
If you have to cross a cycle lane, then yes, you have to give way. You are crossing a lane after-all.Are we saying that even if i am 20-30 yards in front, indicating left at a junction, they still have priority and i have to physically stop incase there is a cyclist?
Imagine that was a bus lane on your left with a bus in it. Cyclists might not be as threatening to your paint work, but the same applies.
If the cycle lane ends just before the junction (as they often do) and you have overtaken just to turn left, then you run the risk of being an inconsiderate driver at best, and at worst...? Probably best not to do it.
And the Pedalheads devastator is once again complete.
Maybe we can change the slogan....
Pistonheads: cyclists are never at fault.
How hard can it be? Just join the queue. If you must jump the queue, then stop behind the massive bloody vehicle that might not have seen you, because sooner or later, they won't have seen you.
Maybe we can change the slogan....
Pistonheads: cyclists are never at fault.
How hard can it be? Just join the queue. If you must jump the queue, then stop behind the massive bloody vehicle that might not have seen you, because sooner or later, they won't have seen you.
Mr Gear said:
BobSaunders said:
I "overtook" them with adequate space in front to perform the overtake, i indicated left with adequate time to show my intention to all road users, a car in front slowed forcing me to slow slightly, i was at the junction first and indicating left - does this not scream a left turn is about to occur to the cyclists?
Are we saying that even if i am 20-30 yards in front, indicating left at a junction, they still have priority and i have to physically stop incase there is a cyclist?
If you have to cross a cycle lane, then yes, you have to give way. You are crossing a lane after-all.Are we saying that even if i am 20-30 yards in front, indicating left at a junction, they still have priority and i have to physically stop incase there is a cyclist?
Imagine that was a bus lane on your left with a bus in it. Cyclists might not be as threatening to your paint work, but the same applies.
If the cycle lane ends just before the junction (as they often do) and you have overtaken just to turn left, then you run the risk of being an inconsiderate driver at best, and at worst...? Probably best not to do it.
2. Road junctions (72 to 75)
72
On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.
At no point was the cyclist undertaking - there was adequate distance to slow and even attempt to stop, they initiated the undertake post initiation of the turn (i was turning) and i had checked my mirror and no one was in the mirror that i could see.
https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82/ove...
62
Cycle Tracks. These are normally located away from the road, but may occasionally be found alongside footpaths or pavements. Cyclists and pedestrians may be segregated or they may share the same space (unsegregated). When using segregated tracks you MUST keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath. Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. Take care near road junctions as you may have difficulty seeing other road users, who might not notice you.
Law HA 1835 sect 72
We can argue this until the cows come home. Wish i had not bothered posting now.
LucreLout said:
And the Pedalheads devastator is once again complete.
Maybe we can change the slogan....
Pistonheads: cyclists are never at fault.
How hard can it be? Just join the queue. If you must jump the queue, then stop behind the massive bloody vehicle that might not have seen you, because sooner or later, they won't have seen you.
Thing is, I am here to provide the counter-argument to the myopic view that you can drive like a retard and that's OK.Maybe we can change the slogan....
Pistonheads: cyclists are never at fault.
How hard can it be? Just join the queue. If you must jump the queue, then stop behind the massive bloody vehicle that might not have seen you, because sooner or later, they won't have seen you.
Sure, cyclists f
k up sometimes. But it's actually really easy driving considerately and safely around cyclists. Anyone that has a problem with it is highlighting their own failings as a driver.HGV drivers have a harder time getting it right, but even they are not always blameless.
This particular accident that started this thread? Who knows who was at fault? It's frankly insulting some of the presumptuous s
t that some people have been posting. This is a DEAD GIRL we are talking about."BLAH BLAH cycling up the inside BLAH BLAH...." you have no idea if that happened, so why post it? It's just idiotic.
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