Ludgate Circus cyclist tipper lorry

[Diderot]

Hope she makes a full recovery. But they will just have to learn to not filter down the inside - not exactly a difficult concept to grasp. The number of cyclists I saw last week doing just that in central London beggars belief given all the publicity. Mental.

MInd you, IMO these contraptions need to be banned from the road: I mean what are otherwise responsible parents thinking when bunging their precious little Johnny in the back of one of these and riding on a busy road? Do they imagine the stupid flag sticking up will save them from being crushed to death? Lunacy.

[thelawnet]

grumbledoak said:

Sadly what's going on is: some cyclists are really, really dumb.
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No more than any other road user. Actually the death rate per hour is higher in cars than on bikes. You don't have to look far to see idiotic driving. .

[feef]

Nickyboy said:

feef said:

There are cyclists, and then there are pedestrians on bicycles.

I think this was the latter.

They're no better than each other though.

Cyclists know the risks but are still willing to take the risk.

Pedestrians on bicycles have no idea of the risks and ride around oblivious to obvious dangers

I'd dispute that.. I consider myself a cyclist, and I abide by the rules of the road and don't put myself into situations like sitting on the inside of a large vehicle at a junction. Someone that does that would fall into the ped on a bike group IMHO

[folos]

Diderot said:

Hope she makes a full recovery. But they will just have to learn to not filter down the inside - not exactly a difficult concept to grasp. The number of cyclists I saw last week doing just that in central London beggars belief given all the publicity. Mental.

MInd you, IMO these contraptions need to be banned from the road: I mean what are otherwise responsible parents thinking when bunging their precious little Johnny in the back of one of these and riding on a busy road? Do they imagine the stupid flag sticking up will save them from being crushed to death? Lunacy.

There's a guy that rides around on one of these with a football "wearing" a helmet in the back of it - he rides around antagonising drivers of large vehicles (mainly buses) and when he gets an inevitable reaction with his dangerous cycling he contacts the companies with footage (he has a rear facing camera) or posts it on youtube.

Although i'm not in any way defending the bus driver here (I know him and without saying too much he's not the calmest person in the world), the cyclist is deliberately using the wrong lane in part of this video to antagonise the driver - also that is a football in the back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2hInLYPgk

[thelawnet]

Diderot said:

Hope she makes a full recovery. But they will just have to learn to not filter down the inside - not exactly a difficult concept to grasp. The number of cyclists I saw last week doing just that in central London beggars belief given all the publicity. Mental.

MInd you, IMO these contraptions need to be banned from the road: I mean what are otherwise responsible parents thinking when bunging their precious little Johnny in the back of one of these and riding on a busy road? Do they imagine the stupid flag sticking up will save them from being crushed to death? Lunacy.

Uh, that doesn't look like a busy road, I can safely say I've never seen one of those crossing Ludgate Circus.

And there is no epidemic of accidents or deaths involving them either.

Why do people always come on cycle threads to post random unrelated nonsense?

[matchmaker]

folos said:

Diderot said:

Hope she makes a full recovery. But they will just have to learn to not filter down the inside - not exactly a difficult concept to grasp. The number of cyclists I saw last week doing just that in central London beggars belief given all the publicity. Mental.

MInd you, IMO these contraptions need to be banned from the road: I mean what are otherwise responsible parents thinking when bunging their precious little Johnny in the back of one of these and riding on a busy road? Do they imagine the stupid flag sticking up will save them from being crushed to death? Lunacy.

There's a guy that rides around on one of these with a football "wearing" a helmet in the back of it - he rides around antagonising drivers of large vehicles (mainly buses) and when he gets an inevitable reaction with his dangerous cycling he contacts the companies with footage (he has a rear facing camera) or posts it on youtube.

Although i'm not in any way defending the bus driver here (I know him and without saying too much he's not the calmest person in the world), the cyclist is deliberately using the wrong lane in part of this video to antagonise the driver - also that is a football in the back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2hInLYPgk

Interesting to note that "Billy Sastard" has comments disabled. Presumably to prevent people mentioning what a he is?

[J4CKO]

Is it me or are lot of these type of accidents happening to ladies ?

[thelawnet]

J4CKO said:

Is it me or are lot of these type of accidents happening to ladies ?

There is a theory that women are less confident.

It's safer to pass on the right, but women are more likely to ride in the gutter and get killed as a result.

Safest place to be is in the middle of the lane.

[feef]

http://youtu.be/djEo_AcGH68?t=5m55s

Look Wobbly

[grumbledoak]

thelawnet said:

There is a theory that women are less confident.

A more plausible theory is that most women know fk all about lorries, but then we are back to cyclist education and that is not the answer the cycling lobby wants.

[Laurel Green]

feef said:

http://youtu.be/djEo_AcGH68?t=5m55s

Look Wobbly

I remember that!

[thelawnet]

grumbledoak said:

A more plausible theory is that most women know fk all about lorries, but then we are back to cyclist education and that is not the answer the cycling lobby wants.

Education? You really think people don't know that lorries are big and heavy?

Education doesn't seem to work on drivers, where you get roads where st driving (and always is st driving) causes a few people die, they reengineer the road, not reeducate the drivers,

[saaby93]

thelawnet said:

J4CKO said:

Is it me or are lot of these type of accidents happening to ladies ?

There is a theory that women are less confident.

It's safer to pass on the right, but women are more likely to ride in the gutter and get killed as a result.

Safest place to be is in the middle of the lane.

not neccesarily
They dont get killed as a result of riding in the gutter as there is no gutter
<makes note to look up lawnet>
Anyone can cycle or drive safely on the left
Some of it's about awareness of what's going around you, women are naturally worse at that
but its about percentages rather than one or the other. Some men are no good at it either.
If you can see there's a space between a truck front wheels andthe kerb and space for a bike it might be logical to think it's a safe sapce. What you cant see is that the back wheels of the truck are right behind you and closing.

Rear wheel steer anyone?
The rear wheels follow the same arc as the front so the cycle gap doesnt close

[thelawnet]

saaby93 said:

ot neccesarily
They dont get killed as a result of riding in the gutter as there is no gutter
<makes note to look up lawnet>
Anyone can cycle or drive safely on the left
Some of it's about awareness of what's going around you, women are naturally worse at that
but its about percentages rather than one or the other. Some men are no good at it either.
If you can see there's a space between a truck front wheels andthe kerb and space for a bike it might be logical to think it's a safe sapce. What you cant see is that the back wheels of the truck are right behind you and closing.

But cycling on the left isn't comparable to driving on the left. If you are driving through London in the left of the lane, the only thing that will pass you is a motorbike or bicycle. That's because a car takes up most of the lane. Otoh a bike can fit in what I call the gutter, i.e. The foot of space between the kerb and traffic,

Cycling on the left is dangerous because roads narrow and your foot of space disappears, vehicles turn left and you get crushed. These are not existential threats if you are driving a car.

Also things like cycle lanes run on the left, sometimes they just disappear without warning, sometimes they are used for car parking, impromptu taxi ranks, etc., you've got car doors being opened, and basically the near side is a dangerous place to be, even though it's where all beginner cyclists will cycle.

[The Vambo]

saaby93 said:

ot neccesarily

If you can see there's a space between a truck front wheels and the kerb and space for a bike it might be logical to think it's a safe space.

Anyone who has that kind of logic is an accident waiting to happen.

saaby93 said:

What you cant see is that the back wheels of the truck are right behind you and closing.

Rear wheel steer anyone?
The rear wheels follow the same arc as the front so the cycle gap doesn't close

Unfortunately, if a truck has to square off a left hand corner just to make it round, RWS won't stop it creating a closing wedge on the LHS.

It should simply be an offence to a cyclist to over/undertake any vehicle 3.5T or above within 50m of any junction.

Cyclists have to be forced to join a queue, it is the only part of road use which is still left up to the individual to decide the correct thing to do.

[thelawnet]

swerni said:

I think you're wrong.
People are lured into a false sense of security by cycle lanes.
Some need to understand that a white line and being morally correct doesn't makes them less squishy.
I'm not saying that's the case in this incident, but in many cases, especially coming up to junctions, i'll avoid the cycle lane while i watch others undertake busses and lorries in their designated lane.

No I agree. People seem to think that if you are sort of hiding away in the edge of the road, it's safer than engaging with the traffic. I just meant Im not sure how effective education is.

[saaby93]

thelawnet said:

saaby93 said:

ot neccesarily
They dont get killed as a result of riding in the gutter as there is no gutter
<makes note to look up lawnet>
Anyone can cycle or drive safely on the left
Some of it's about awareness of what's going around you, women are naturally worse at that
but its about percentages rather than one or the other. Some men are no good at it either.
If you can see there's a space between a truck front wheels andthe kerb and space for a bike it might be logical to think it's a safe sapce. What you cant see is that the back wheels of the truck are right behind you and closing.

But cycling on the left isn't comparable to driving on the left. If you are driving through London in the left of the lane, the only thing that will pass you is a motorbike or bicycle. That's because a car takes up most of the lane. Otoh a bike can fit in what I call the gutter, i.e. The foot of space between the kerb and traffic,

Cycling on the left is dangerous because roads narrow and your foot of space disappears, vehicles turn left and you get crushed. These are not existential threats if you are driving a car.

Also things like cycle lanes run on the left, sometimes they just disappear without warning, sometimes they are used for car parking, impromptu taxi ranks, etc., you've got car doors being opened, and basically the near side is a dangerous place to be, even though it's where all beginner cyclists will cycle.

If all that were true we wouldnt have anyone cycling
and stop using strawman

[TheInternet]

The Vambo said:

It should simply be an offence to a cyclist to over/undertake any vehicle 3.5T or above within 50m of any junction.

[shred2bits]

Sometimes I'm completely shocked at the bottle some of these cyclists have on London roads, some of the tires of their "adversary" are as big as they are

[Diderot]

thelawnet said:

Diderot said:

Hope she makes a full recovery. But they will just have to learn to not filter down the inside - not exactly a difficult concept to grasp. The number of cyclists I saw last week doing just that in central London beggars belief given all the publicity. Mental.

MInd you, IMO these contraptions need to be banned from the road: I mean what are otherwise responsible parents thinking when bunging their precious little Johnny in the back of one of these and riding on a busy road? Do they imagine the stupid flag sticking up will save them from being crushed to death? Lunacy.

Uh, that doesn't look like a busy road, I can safely say I've never seen one of those crossing Ludgate Circus.

And there is no epidemic of accidents or deaths involving them either.

Why do people always come on cycle threads to post random unrelated nonsense?

Uh, cos that is not a pic of the offending fkwit with Johnny in the back on a main road in a busy city.

And in what way do imagine that is remotely safe for the child?