Car accident with a cyclist

[WinstonWolf]

kambites said:

WinstonWolf said:

I automatically assume everyone else is trying to kill me, that way when they don't I'm pleasantly surprised

In that case, don't use the term "right of way".

Then what term shall I use oh omniscient one?

[kambites]

WinstonWolf said:

Then what term shall I use oh omniscient one?

As I said, "priority" is generally viewed as a far safer one.

Even the highway code explicitly states that there is no such thing as a right of way on the public road.

[GarryDK]

DoubleSix said:

DoubleSix said:

ikarl said:

Beer Man said:

DoubleSix said:

As a driver if I see a car attempting to turn across my path I cover or apply the brake. Cyclists seem to exercise their right of way very 'proactively' in my experience, despite being very squishy.

the clue is right there wouldn't you say??????

Not really. I wouldn't go head on with a car (in my car) just because I had right of way. I would try my upmost to avoid any type of collision.

DoubleSix is intimating that a cyclist would 'keep going' in some instances just because they were in the right.....regardless, in some cases, of the outcome.

I see someone is capable of reading AND comprehension! A rare thing in these parts....

The problem is Double that you clearly don’t understand is that on a bike you don’t have ABS and more often than not no disc brakes, in this situation, the cyclist isn’t expecting the op to pull across him, you cannot stop of a six pence on bike like you can in a modern car, and you have no clue whether he is breaking or not. The cyclist could be slamming his breaks on as he hit the OP so you have no right to assume he put himself in that position because of right of way. Without facts your ridiculous assumptions are completely pointless.

[Beer Man]

Got disc brakes on my bike and they're bloody good too. Can stop on a sixpence on them.

[WinstonWolf]

kambites said:

WinstonWolf said:

Then what term shall I use oh omniscient one?

As I said, "priority" is generally viewed as a far safer one.

Even the highway code explicitly states that there is no such thing as a right of way on the public road.

Let's not fk about with words, anyone who doesn't yield when they should, or pulls out on someone to save a precious half second is an utter ...

Same goes for those bds who don't slow/stop when the obstruction is on their side of the road, it should be lawful to despatch them with mortar fire

[Mave]

DoubleSix said:

You need to revisit your understanding of the word 'ignorance'.

As I hinted earlier, I know a little about cycling, having partaken in the sport at a rather high level.

And yet you've managed to conclude that someone has cycled into a car whilst 'trying to maintain momentum' and 'avoiding braking' and got away with only minor damage to his bike? Surely in your million miles of cycling experience you've seen the result of a bike hitting a car at speed?

[kambites]

WinstonWolf said:

Let's not fk about with words, anyone who doesn't yield when they should, or pulls out on someone to save a precious half second is an utter ...

Of course, but anyone who puts themselves at risk by assuming that someone else will yield in that sort of situation is a complete idiot. As far as I can see, no-one (including the OP who made the mistake) has been arguing that the driver wasn't at fault.

[DoubleSix]

GarryDK said:

The problem is Double that you clearly don’t understand is that on a bike you don’t have ABS and more often than not no disc brakes, I this situation, the cyclist isn’t expecting the op to pull across him, you cannot stop of a six pence on bike like you can in a modern car, and you have no clue whether he is breaking or not. The cyclist could be slamming his breaks on as he hit the OP so you have no right to assume he put himself in that position because of right of way. Without facts your ridiculous assumptions are completely pointless.

The facts in this particular situation aren't really relevant to my point. My original post was nothing more than a quip.

The more salient point I was making is the one that Kambites has eloquently spelled out above in that cyclists seem obsessed by terms such as ROW and less concerned with the realities of being a road user and anticipating the unexpected.

If I see a car waiting to cross my lane I slow in ANTICIPATION of the fact the driver may perform an ill-judged manoeuvre or even be rear ended into my path whether on bike or in a car.

I see many cyclists who do not exercise this sort of judgement and use the power bestowed upon them by ROW to avoid bone crunching injuries.

[WinstonWolf]

kambites said:

WinstonWolf said:

Let's not fk about with words, anyone who doesn't yield when they should, or pulls out on someone to save a precious half second is an utter ...

Of course, but anyone who puts themselves at risk by assuming that someone else will yield is a complete idiot.

As I said, whichever form of transport I'm using I assume other drivers are mouth breathing morons, sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised.

[DoubleSix]

kambites said:

WinstonWolf said:

Let's not fk about with words, anyone who doesn't yield when they should, or pulls out on someone to save a precious half second is an utter ...

Of course, but anyone who puts themselves at risk by assuming that someone else will yield in that sort of situation is a complete idiot. As far as I can see, no-one (including the OP who made the mistake) has been arguing that the driver wasn't at fault.

Again I have to agree whole-heartedly.

Mr Wolf, you seem to be arguing a point that no-one has made.

[GarryDK]

DoubleSix said:

The facts in this particular situation aren't really relevant to my point. My original post was nothing more than a quip.

The more salient point I was making is the one that Kambites has eloquently spelled out above in that cyclists seem obsessed by terms such as ROW and less concerned with the realities of being a road user and anticipating the unexpected.

If I see a car waiting to cross my lane I slow in ANTICIPATION of the fact the driver may perform an ill-judged manoeuvre or even be rear ended into my path whether on bike or in a car.

I see many cyclists who do not exercise this sort of judgement and use the power bestowed upon them by ROW to avoid bone crunching injuries.

Well you are the only one so congratulations. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

Edited by GarryDK on Wednesday 22 October 16:27

[kambites]

GarryDK said:

Well you are the only one so congratualtions. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

When I used to cycle a lot, I'd certainly slow down if I was travelling at significant speed if I saw a motorist aiming to turn right across my lane and I wasn't fairly sure that they'd seen me. Hitting something at 25mph hurts quite a lot more than hitting something at 15. Even when driving, I'll come off the throttle and cover the brake in that situation.

[DoubleSix]

GarryDK said:

Well you are the only one so congratualtions. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

I didn't say stop. But yes, If I see someone indicating and waiting to perform a manoeuvre, particularly crossing my lane I slow, yes.

Fact is cyclists are travelling under their own steam and many are loathe to give up that precious kinetic energy and therefore carry speed when they should probably be scrubbing it.

[heebeegeetee]

mrkhan89 said:

You're right. It is just advised to wear high visibility clothing to avoid accidents...

As are pedestrians...

[WinstonWolf]

DoubleSix said:

GarryDK said:

Well you are the only one so congratualtions. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

I didn't say stop. But yes, If I see someone indicating and waiting to perform a manoeuvre, particularly crossing my lane I slow, yes.

Fact is cyclists are travelling under their own steam and many are loathe to give up that precious kinetic energy and therefore carry speed when they should probably be scrubbing it.

There would be no need to scrub it if motorists learned how to yield when they should.

[Mave]

DoubleSix said:

The facts in this particular situation aren't really relevant to my point. My original post was nothing more than a quip.

And what an amusing bit of victim blaming it was too, well done.

[DoubleSix]

WinstonWolf said:

DoubleSix said:

GarryDK said:

Well you are the only one so congratualtions. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

I didn't say stop. But yes, If I see someone indicating and waiting to perform a manoeuvre, particularly crossing my lane I slow, yes.

Fact is cyclists are travelling under their own steam and many are loathe to give up that precious kinetic energy and therefore carry speed when they should probably be scrubbing it.

There would be no need to scrub it if motorists learned how to yield when they should.

There you go again....


Seriously, you do realise you actually illustrating my point with every post?

[DoubleSix]

Mave said:

DoubleSix said:

The facts in this particular situation aren't really relevant to my point. My original post was nothing more than a quip.

And what an amusing bit of victim blaming it was too, well done.

Drop the hand wringing and understand the point behind the humour, whether you found it funny or not.

[WinstonWolf]

DoubleSix said:

WinstonWolf said:

DoubleSix said:

GarryDK said:

Well you are the only one so congratualtions. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

I didn't say stop. But yes, If I see someone indicating and waiting to perform a manoeuvre, particularly crossing my lane I slow, yes.

Fact is cyclists are travelling under their own steam and many are loathe to give up that precious kinetic energy and therefore carry speed when they should probably be scrubbing it.

There would be no need to scrub it if motorists learned how to yield when they should.

There you go again....


Seriously, you do realise you actually illustrating my point with every post?

I'm very anti SMIDSY, the onus should be on everyone to perform correct observation prior to making a manoeuvre. No excuses, no shifting the blame, I'm in favour of increasing driving standards, not making exceptions for st drivers.

If you can't check for approaching vehicles before turning, hand in your licence and get the bus.

[DoubleSix]

WinstonWolf said:

DoubleSix said:

WinstonWolf said:

DoubleSix said:

GarryDK said:

Well you are the only one so congratualtions. So every road you go down anyone indicating and you stop/slow down? really? I call bullst of the highest order.

I didn't say stop. But yes, If I see someone indicating and waiting to perform a manoeuvre, particularly crossing my lane I slow, yes.

Fact is cyclists are travelling under their own steam and many are loathe to give up that precious kinetic energy and therefore carry speed when they should probably be scrubbing it.

There would be no need to scrub it if motorists learned how to yield when they should.

There you go again....


Seriously, you do realise you actually illustrating my point with every post?

I'm very anti SMIDSY, the onus should be on everyone to perform correct observation prior to making a manoeuvre. No excuses, no shifting the blame, I'm in favour of increasing driving standards, not making exceptions for st drivers.

If you can't check for approaching vehicles before turning, hand in your licence and get the bus.

With respect, you sound like an accident waiting to happen. Re-read what Kambites wrote about advanced driving and the attitude it attempts to instil.

You are EXACTLY the sort I'm talking about who will ride bolt upright through a dangerous situation because of your hopeless expectations that others will observe your right of way.

I'm actually glad you decide to pop in as you've so perfectly, and repeatedly, demonstrated my point. I couldn't have done it better if I'd logged on under a different username.