Car accident with a cyclist
Discussion
ecsrobin said:
At night your cycle MUST have white front and red rear lights lit. It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen. Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp.
Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24
Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24
well done that man.I would think this thread goes better in SP&L, where you'll get a higher ratio of useful legal advice/opinions about who is and isn't being sufficiently responsible on the roads. Bear in mind just because hi-vis is not a requirement does not mean it cannot be considered negligent to not use it - there is case law regarding helmets here. Also, more kitted out cyclists are more likely to be using pedals that lack reflectors. I haven't heard of anyone using this in court (esp. as the more kitted out also tend to be otherwise lit up like a christmas tree, making it look like a flimsy excuse), but IANAL, so take everything I say with a pinch of salt.
GarryDK said:
It still shocks me that some people still manage to turn these situations to the cyclist fault. To the OPs credit he clearly isn’t one of them but there are far too many of them on PH.
It still shocks me how many cyclists deem right of way to be the single most important factor in their decision making. To the OPs credit he didn't kill one of them but there are far too many on the road.DoubleSix said:
GarryDK said:
It still shocks me that some people still manage to turn these situations to the cyclist fault. To the OPs credit he clearly isn’t one of them but there are far too many of them on PH.
It still shocks me how many cyclists deem right of way to be the single most important factor in their decision making. To the OPs credit he didn't kill one of them but there are far too many on the road.GarryDK said:
DoubleSix said:
GarryDK said:
It still shocks me that some people still manage to turn these situations to the cyclist fault. To the OPs credit he clearly isn’t one of them but there are far too many of them on PH.
It still shocks me how many cyclists deem right of way to be the single most important factor in their decision making. To the OPs credit he didn't kill one of them but there are far too many on the road.
I don't know if you're trying to be thick or just on a wind up. How can you not understand?? How???
I wasnt aware of the pedal reflector legislation, my pedals are of the SPD variety that have no provision for reflectors, they are simply a mechanical connection to the shoe.
I have, based on this ordered some reflective black (Yes, really) 3M Scotchlite tape which I will add to the back of my cycling shoes by way of simulating pedal reflectors, makes sense really, the pedal stroke provides a good, visible movement that alerts drivers to a cyclist fairly well. The rest of it is going on my black rucksack that covers some of my winter hi viz coat and the rest on the bike at strategic points, being black it wont look so stupid in daylight.
I have, based on this ordered some reflective black (Yes, really) 3M Scotchlite tape which I will add to the back of my cycling shoes by way of simulating pedal reflectors, makes sense really, the pedal stroke provides a good, visible movement that alerts drivers to a cyclist fairly well. The rest of it is going on my black rucksack that covers some of my winter hi viz coat and the rest on the bike at strategic points, being black it wont look so stupid in daylight.
J4CKO said:
I wasnt aware of the pedal reflector legislation, my pedals are of the SPD variety that have no provision for reflectors, they are simply a mechanical connection to the shoe.
I have, based on this ordered some reflective black (Yes, really) 3M Scotchlite tape which I will add to the back of my cycling shoes by way of simulating pedal reflectors, makes sense really, the pedal stroke provides a good, visible movement that alerts drivers to a cyclist fairly well. The rest of it is going on my black rucksack that covers some of my winter hi viz coat and the rest on the bike at strategic points, being black it wont look so stupid in daylight.
Lots of shoes have reflective on the rear already, you just might not have noticed it yet.I have, based on this ordered some reflective black (Yes, really) 3M Scotchlite tape which I will add to the back of my cycling shoes by way of simulating pedal reflectors, makes sense really, the pedal stroke provides a good, visible movement that alerts drivers to a cyclist fairly well. The rest of it is going on my black rucksack that covers some of my winter hi viz coat and the rest on the bike at strategic points, being black it wont look so stupid in daylight.
I think the only thing to say is , if you'd turned right and hit a car, or a motorcycle who would be at fault? same rules of the road apply for cyclists.( let's not go down the cyclist do there own bloody thing yada yada)
OR reverse it, If the cyclist had turned right and you'd hit him, you'd be saying it was his fault.
NOT having a go at you, but my take would be, you're at fault.
OR reverse it, If the cyclist had turned right and you'd hit him, you'd be saying it was his fault.
NOT having a go at you, but my take would be, you're at fault.
DoubleSix said:
Mave said:
DoubleSix said:
As a driver if I see a car attempting to turn across my path I cover or apply the brake. Cyclists seem to exercise their right of way very 'proactively' in my experience, despite being very squishy.
What makes you think the cyclist didn't cover the brakes or indeed brake in this circumstance?HTH
Say it like it is.
Mr Gear said:
DoubleSix said:
Mave said:
DoubleSix said:
As a driver if I see a car attempting to turn across my path I cover or apply the brake. Cyclists seem to exercise their right of way very 'proactively' in my experience, despite being very squishy.
What makes you think the cyclist didn't cover the brakes or indeed brake in this circumstance?HTH
Say it like it is.
As I hinted earlier, I know a little about cycling, having partaken in the sport at a rather high level.
I speak from experience (not ignorance) when I say the majority of cyclists are a total f
king embarrassment to the sport and should not be anywhere near the road.DoubleSix said:
the majority of cyclists are a total fking embarrassment to the sport and should not be anywhere near the road.
I wholeheartedly agree. And I ride a lot! Try to keep clear of the roads though. The muddy stuff is far more fun and, debatably, safer! Certainly less chance of being squished but tree trunks hurt too as I discovered, again, at the weekend king embarrassment to the sport and should not be anywhere near the road.
Lets be honest here, the majority of drivers are also a total fking embarrassment and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the roads. In a very similar ratio, which isn't surprising given that they're largely the same people.
When you look at the problems the majority of people on/in all modes of transport have obeying the rules, it's astonishing how few accidents there are on the roads.
king embarrassment and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the roads. In a very similar ratio, which isn't surprising given that they're largely the same people. When you look at the problems the majority of people on/in all modes of transport have obeying the rules, it's astonishing how few accidents there are on the roads.
kambites said:
Lets be honest here, the majority of drivers are also a total fking embarrassment and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the roads. In a very similar ratio, which isn't surprising given that they're largely the same people.
When you look at the problems the majority of people on/in all modes of transport have obeying the rules, it's astonishing how few accidents there are on the roads.
Sums it up nicely.king embarrassment and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the roads. In a very similar ratio, which isn't surprising given that they're largely the same people. When you look at the problems the majority of people on/in all modes of transport have obeying the rules, it's astonishing how few accidents there are on the roads.
kambites said:
Lets be honest here, the majority of drivers are also a total fking embarrassment and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the roads. In a very similar ratio, which isn't surprising given that they're largely the same people.
I'd love to agree as the thread would reach a natural conclusion at that point, BUT....king embarrassment and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the roads. In a very similar ratio, which isn't surprising given that they're largely the same people. I think Pareto's Law applies in that 20% of drivers cannot be trusted not to do something stupid/dangerous but 80% are competent if not exactly exemplary.
However,
80% of cyclists cannot be trusted not to do something stupid/dangerous but 20% are competent if not exactly exemplary.
This is my honest assessment as both a driver and a cyclist.
paranoid airbag said:
well done that man.I would think this thread goes better in SP&L, where you'll get a higher ratio of useful legal advice/opinions about who is and isn't being sufficiently responsible on the roads. Bear in mind just because hi-vis is not a requirement does not mean it cannot be considered negligent to not use it - there is case law regarding helmets here.
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