RE: Nissan GT-R MY14: Review

[sealtt]

I don't think the interior is particularly special, a bit ugly, but this car is much more about the performance so I wouldn't really care if I was buying one. Ferrari interiors are lovely and have a fantastic stench of leather inside even after being used for a few years.

I'll be really interested to test a GTR on some country roads or a track and just see for myself what the handling is like. The performance is phenomenal, so it would just depend if steering feel and driving experience can match.

[Dagnut]

RoverP6B said:

Dagnut said:

You may have been in a coma for the entire 90's and early 00's where AWD turbo charged cars where dominating WRC on every surface imaginable?..in case you missed all that, just so you know ,no one was using an 1800kg executive saloon

1700kg, to be correct. Rallying ? real world day-to-day driving on rutted, potholed tarmac roads, as opposed to muddy forest stages.

You've not seen tarmac rallying then?

At this stage now I'm guessing your a troll of the highest caliber or completely blinkered with zero experience of AWD performance cars without any understanding of basic physics.

[RoverP6B]

Dagnut said:

You've not seen tarmac rallying then?

At this stage now I'm guessing your a troll of the highest caliber or completely blinkered with zero experience of AWD performance cars without any understanding of basic physics.

I do remember watching some of the Monte Carlo on TV back in the 1960s, seeing Paddy Hopkirk winning in the Mini. By the time the Evo and Impreza were dominating rallying, the focus had moved away from tarmac. In any case, those bore no more resemblance to the road-going versions than the S1 Quattro did to the road-going 20V Quattro I test-drove many years ago.

[bennyboysvuk]

Dagnut said:

"it's too easy to drive" ...no correct that>> it's too easy to drive at YOUR limits, this car is so fast it is really difficult to drive at it's limits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS3JpStxWnE

That is not easy....

It does look a little boring though. I think I'd rather have a RWD that is a little more challenging to get the best from.

[Dagnut]

RoverP6B said:

Dagnut said:

You've not seen tarmac rallying then?

At this stage now I'm guessing your a troll of the highest caliber or completely blinkered with zero experience of AWD performance cars without any understanding of basic physics.

I do remember watching some of the Monte Carlo on TV back in the 1960s, seeing Paddy Hopkirk winning in the Mini. By the time the Evo and Impreza were dominating rallying, the focus had moved away from tarmac. In any case, those bore no more resemblance to the road-going versions than the S1 Quattro did to the road-going 20V Quattro I test-drove many years ago.

No they still competed on all surfaces, still do. The STi and EVO are far closer to the WRC cars than the 20v Quattro is to the S1!!
I drove the 20v Quattro it wouldn't pull the skin of soup, if that's your experience of AWD performance driving your like a virgin who got his finger smelly talking about sex.

[Dagnut]

bennyboysvuk said:

Dagnut said:

"it's too easy to drive" ...no correct that>> it's too easy to drive at YOUR limits, this car is so fast it is really difficult to drive at it's limits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS3JpStxWnE

That is not easy....

It does look a little boring though. I think I'd rather have a RWD that is a little more challenging to get the best from.

That's not the point, it's an objective point about how difficult that is.

[sealtt]

RoverP6B said:

I never said 435i. I was talking about swapping one M6 for another.

I've owned the new F12 M6 4.4 V8 for about 10 months, previously I have had a Porsche 996 Turbo and test driven the 997 turbo.

The new M6 is incredibly powerful, pulls damn hard in gear, and the gearbox is one of the best out there in terms of responsiveness and change speed. No doubt it would absolutely destroy the E63 M6 in any circumstance i'm sure.

However, I would much rather my chances at being notably faster down any non-straight road in the 911 turbo, even the 996 let alone the 997. It might not have quite the pulling power, but that huge weight advantage and driver focused setup makes all the difference in the world when it comes to hustling along real roads or even a twisty track.

I never really connected with the M6 as a drivers car, too heavy and big, damn quick on highways though.

[OldBob]

Dagnut said:

You may have been in a coma for the entire 90's and early 00's where AWD turbo charged cars where dominating WRC on every surface imaginable?..in case you missed all that, just so you know ,no one was using an 1800kg executive saloon

^LOL - hammer blow.

Rover can you tell us where we can get the reality altering drugs you're using so at least some of your posting isn't so obviously seen as trolling.
Perhaps you should also recognise that the GTR has variable dampers too (effectiveness subject to model year to some extent) and the combinations get more useful if you replace the very firm sidewall Dunlop runflats with MPSS, especially in damper conditions - basically settings being track-hard, normal-less hard , soft/comfort - a bit wafty.
The waftier settings let people extract performance on stuff that undulates etc other than track flat asphalt where, in combination with the chassis dynamics massive traction out of corners and adverse surfaces can be extracted. The Ring is not flat smooth track you know.

GTR hating and baiting seems to be de rigueur for some and like religion it gets indoctrinated into the offspring. lol

Edited by OldBob on Thursday 6th November 14:18

[Zed 44]

OldBob said:

^LOL - hammer blow.

Rover can you tell us where we can get the reality altering drugs you're using so at least some of your posting isn't so obviously seen as trolling.
Perhaps you should also recognise that the GTR has variable dampers too (effectiveness subject to model year to some extent) and the combinations get more useful if you replace the very firm sidewall Dunlop runflats with MPSS, especially in damper conditions - basically settings being track-hard, normal-less hard , soft/comfort - a bit wafty.
The waftier settings let people extract performance on stuff that undulates etc other than track flat asphalt where, in combination with the chassis dynamics massive traction out of corners and adverse surfaces can be extracted. The Ring is not flat smooth track you know.

GTR hating and baiting seems to be de rigueur for some and like religion it gets indoctrinated into the offspring. lol

Edited by OldBob on Thursday 6th November 14:18

More popcorn please.

[markcoznottz]

Old bitter fart with crap boring car doesn't like younger guys on pistonheads with more advanced faster vehicles than himself. Sounds like some of the old two bob heroes in my local propping up the bar.

[tjlees]

RoverP6B said:

tjlees said:

Nope. 435i would still really struggle. Turbo s is 1:09.6 round the dry handling circuit at autocar, and 435i is 1:18.2 where as even the new m5 is only 1:14.9. Again the lateral g for the turbo is 1.1g and the 435i is 0.97g. The GTR figures are similar to the turbo s.

Any modern m sport BMW would be left behind by the GTR/turbo s in the first few corners that require grip and performance - drivers being equal and measured under test conditions.

I never said 435i. I was talking about swapping one M6 for another.

Nope. Still would struggle to keep up with a GTR. New m6 is very similar (slightly slower) handling lap times on the autocar circuit.

To put this perspective if an new M5/6 was chasing a GTR / turbo s on a handling circuit or road that required grip and performance, after 12ish minutes, the m5/6 would be a minute behind.

That means at very steady average of 50mph , the m5/6 would be 1300m behind the GTR/turbo s - your car would be over 1.5 miles behind - drivers being equal etc.

I'm afraid you subjective arguments do not stand up objectively. Doubtless you disagree but we have to agree to disagree

[liner33]

RoverP6B said:

335kg difference, actually (still quite substantial!) - and the Evo makes 276bhp, a mere 34 more than my old BMW, and also only 15 more ftlbs, rather higher in the rev range than in the 535i. However, as I said before, power-to-weight only tells part of the story. You've got to be able to put that power down. A front-drive-based platform, a 4-banger mounted high up right in the nose and a narrow track and short wheelbase do not make a good recipe for putting power down on a bumpy, twisty road. There's not a massive difference between the Evo (4WD apart) and most fast hot hatches of today - and keeping pace with them is laughably easy. Evos aren't too hard to keep up with either, while enjoying much greater comfort, ride quality etc.

Edited by RoverP6B on Wednesday 5th November 17:34

You are delusional mate ! You clearly dont know much about Japanese cars of this era. There was an agreement from the manufacturers of cars like the Supras, Skylines and Evos that they all had around 280hp published , most make a lot more , I've seen stock Evo 6's on the dyno and seen them make 310-320hp and around the same in torque

Few are stock of course since a simple remap will yield figures like this (My own car stock engine and stock turbo)


When you drive a Evo down a bumpy road it really doesnt matter if not all four wheels are on the ground they are hugely capable cars that are confidence inspiring on the poorest surfaces

[OldBob]

Zed 44 said:

More popcorn please.

Yeah I know, I get troll hooked real easily.

[RoverP6B]

Dagnut said:

No they still competed on all surfaces, still do. The STi and EVO are far closer to the WRC cars than the 20v Quattro is to the S1!!
I drove the 20v Quattro it wouldn't pull the skin of soup

The WRC cars may have used the same shells and the same basic engine blocks but that's where the resemblance ends. The Quattro was reasonably quick for its time, very capable too, would give any 911 of that era a fright on a wet B-road, but the understeer, oh lord...

markcoznottz said:

Old bitter fart with crap boring car doesn't like younger guys on pistonheads with more advanced faster vehicles than himself. Sounds like some of the old two bob heroes in my local propping up the bar.

Old not-bitter fart with not-crap not-boring car has nothing against younger men or faster cars. Ultimately, though, I find tech-fest performance cars boring. I could still beat a GT-R cross-country in the Beagle Pup 150 I was taught to fly by the ex chief instructor of the Red Arrows, Ted Girdler. He was a Jag man - had a V12 and latterly an XJS.

sealtt said:

I've owned the new F12 M6 4.4 V8 for about 10 months, previously I have had a Porsche 996 Turbo and test driven the 997 turbo.

The new M6 is incredibly powerful, pulls damn hard in gear, and the gearbox is one of the best out there in terms of responsiveness and change speed. No doubt it would absolutely destroy the E63 M6 in any circumstance i'm sure.

However, I would much rather my chances at being notably faster down any non-straight road in the 911 turbo, even the 996 let alone the 997. It might not have quite the pulling power, but that huge weight advantage and driver focused setup makes all the difference in the world when it comes to hustling along real roads or even a twisty track.

I never really connected with the M6 as a drivers car, too heavy and big, damn quick on highways though.

So, in other words, you reckon a GT-R would destroy even the new F12 M6 in anything but a straight line? I'm not a fan of the current M-cars either...

liner33 said:

You are delusional mate ! You clearly dont know much about Japanese cars of this era. There was an agreement from the manufacturers of cars like the Supras, Skylines and Evos that they all had around 280hp published, most make a lot more, I've seen stock Evo 6's on the dyno and seen them make 310-320hp and around the same in torque.

Few are stock of course since a simple remap will yield figures like this (My own car stock engine and stock turbo)


When you drive a Evo down a bumpy road it really doesnt matter if not all four wheels are on the ground they are hugely capable cars that are confidence inspiring on the poorest surfaces

Yeah yeah, heard it all before. Most genuinely did make about 276bhp. Remaps don't count, because turbo recalibration can yield huge power gains. Even a cheap boost controller, keeping the wastegate shut longer, will make a massive difference.

[E65Ross]

His point wasn't about whether you like the M6....It was that a GTR can easily beat an M6....Which in turn would fking muller your E39.

[RoverP6B]

E65Ross said:

His point wasn't about whether you like the M6....It was that a GTR can easily beat an M6....Which in turn would fking muller your E39.

That's what I was asking. Given a half-decent surface, I'm sure it could. But then, the Longcross proving ground is not like a B-road. It's far better surfaced. Put them all on a really gnarly country lane - that will equalise it a lot. As I've said before, I've hung on the tail of GT-Rs on such roads, not really trying hard, while watching them bucking and writhing and oversteering all over the place.

[E65Ross]

RoverP6B said:

E65Ross said:

His point wasn't about whether you like the M6....It was that a GTR can easily beat an M6....Which in turn would fking muller your E39.

That's what I was asking. Given a half-decent surface, I'm sure it could. But then, the Longcross proving ground is not like a B-road. It's far better surfaced. Put them all on a really gnarly country lane - that will equalise it a lot. As I've said before, I've hung on the tail of GT-Rs on such roads, not really trying hard, while watching them bucking and writhing and oversteering all over the place.

Sure the other driver was really trying hard

[RoverP6B]

E65Ross said:

Sure the other driver was really trying hard

1) On such roads, you can't get anywhere near flat out in anything more powerful than an 80s hot hatch

2) You're still having to drive within the limits of what the chassis can put down to the surface. Too much spring rate, not enough rebound damping and not enough suspension travel will severely restrict that.

Show them a half-decent A-road and it'd be a very different story.

[NomduJour]

You are making yourself look very foolish indeed. Drive some cars and come back.

[3ananaPie]

Not sure what's goingg on here. Anyway, had a play in a MY14 car and the ride is so much better than before. Firm but crashes about a lot less. The gearbox is very smooth and it's just a weapon on the road, even with such heavy rain on the day.