RE: Four-cylinder Cayman at the Nurburgring

[Greg_D]

There doesn't appear to be much difference in their cornering and accelerative pace, when they showed the 6 cylinder v 4 cylinder cars there was about 0.25sec difference in 8.1 secs (from apex to a marker in the far distance) it's certainly not going to be slow

[Wills2]

Terminator X said:

Wills2 said:

The point people are trying to make to you, is Porsche have many 4 pot cars in their history so a 4 pot Cayman doesn't water down anything.

I didn't mention history? The point I'm trying to make [to you] is that the current model range ergo brand is watered down with the advent of this new engine. As it was at the time the diesel engine came out. Strong model range vs weakened model range = watered down!

TX.

Yes you did when you put a chronological list together in the order you thought they arrived:

"911 - boxster - cayenne - diesel - 4 pots" that's the development line you suggested was "watering down" the brand.

I pointed out as did others that the 4pot element is at the wrong end of your time line, that's all.

If the brand has been watered down it isn't due to the development of 4 pot engines as they started there first.

[E65Ross]

Wills2 said:

Terminator X said:

Wills2 said:

The point people are trying to make to you, is Porsche have many 4 pot cars in their history so a 4 pot Cayman doesn't water down anything.

I didn't mention history? The point I'm trying to make [to you] is that the current model range ergo brand is watered down with the advent of this new engine. As it was at the time the diesel engine came out. Strong model range vs weakened model range = watered down!

TX.

Yes you did when you put a chronological list together in the order you thought they arrived:

"911 - boxster - cayenne - diesel - 4 pots" that's the development line you suggested was "watering down" the brand.

I pointed out as did others that the 4pot element is at the wrong end of your time line, that's all.

If the brand has been watered down it isn't due to the development of 4 pot engines as they started there first.

I see what you mean Wills2, but he's talking purely modern times (I think). I'm guessing a fair few Porsche owners don't know they used to make 4 cylinder engines and know the whole model range is made of 6 or 8 cylinder cars at the moment. Thus adding a 4 cylinder car to a line up that doesn't currently have any 4 cylinder models (which it hasn't for some considerable time) might be seen as a watering down of the brand as they become more "mainstream" in what they offer.

He's suggesting (again, I think) that Porsche have moved further upmarket with the deletion of 4 cylinder models and they once were held at a higher "level" by only making sports cars with 6+ cylinders. They watered down FROM THAT POINT by making Cayennes, diesels and now 4 cylinder models.

A fine point, but a point never the less. To me, going to a 4 cylinder model does detract some of the extra "specialness" about Porsche as a brand at the moment.

[FlybyWyre]

Auto Bild front cover 25 April 2014 says 39000 Euro for the flat 4 Boxster.
No way a turbo flat 4 will sound as good as a n/a flat 6 ! May be better on other counts but not the sound.

[daytona365]

All these posts, and no one's mentioned the intrinsically better balance that a 6 8 or 12 cylinder engine has over a 'four'.

[k-ink]

"Porsche as a brand". Dear oh dear. They started out tuning up 4 pot VW Beetles. Get over yourselves

[The Wookie]

k-ink said:

"Porsche as a brand". Dear oh dear. They started out tuning up 4 pot VW Beetles. Get over yourselves

Yep, back to their roots... It even sounds like a Beetle <runs away>

[The Wookie]

giger said:

Actually quite a lot of people, happens to just about every other marque - look at the GTR as a prime example. Modded from new by a lot of people and warranty can still be maintained depending upon mods.

Considering that Porsche have been known to argue the toss on extended warranty claims because of non-Porsche branded batteries or OEM-spec tyres I don't think you're onto a winner there.