how much faster will it feel
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It's not just about 0-60 times and power it's about power delivery, handling, weight, driving dynamics of said car, etc. A lot of factors involved.Just went from BMW z4 2.5 straight 6 with 6 speed manual box to a MB SLK 250cdi with 7 speed auto. On paper both approx same BHP both roughly same mid 6 sec to 60 and same top speed.
The MB feels quicker as it has over 500nm of Torque and delivers it instantly.
The BMW had to have the nuts revved off it but sounded awesome over 6k revs.
MB sounds like a tractor.
MB easier day to day drive with how power is applied and ride is easier to live with too.
The MB feels quicker as it has over 500nm of Torque and delivers it instantly.
The BMW had to have the nuts revved off it but sounded awesome over 6k revs.
MB sounds like a tractor.
MB easier day to day drive with how power is applied and ride is easier to live with too.
LukeR94 said:
At 19 I went from a 74hp 1.2 Corsa to a 240bhp Astra VXR. 
Safe to say it felt much faster, but as you do, I sonn got used to the speed (well so I thought)
Crashed it 6 months later. Breaking 5 ribs, both bones in left arm and multiple facial fractures.
Lesson learnt. Go up in stages children.
Yours Sincerly, a stupid 20 year old
Similarly at 19, I went from a 70hp Clio to a 205hp Saab, which then remapped to 245hp. Fortunately I didn't bin it, but did come close once (well, a few times but this was closest). Full throttle in 2nd, then some torque steer happened, then while I was forcing the wheel to the left to counteract the torque steer, some traction control happened and pretty much cut the power to the wheels. This resulted in the steering wheel being under a lot less force and I nearly ended up in a ditch.Safe to say it felt much faster, but as you do, I sonn got used to the speed (well so I thought)
Crashed it 6 months later. Breaking 5 ribs, both bones in left arm and multiple facial fractures.
Lesson learnt. Go up in stages children.
Yours Sincerly, a stupid 20 year old
Hope you made a speedy recovery from your incident, sounds pretty painful!
But yes, it felt so much faster, which is why I sold it after 10 months and got something faster again. Obviously
Sincerely, a slightly less broken (for now) 21 year old
In my experience, anything with a 0-60 time substantially over 10 seconds is frustratingly slow in the sense that it has to be worked hard just to make ordinary progress.Anything below 10 seconds is perfectly usable and just about fast enough to have a surge feeling when in its sweet spot.
A 65bhp hatch has to be revved hard just to keep pace in flowing A road traffic, which is fun from time to time but would get annoying quite quickly.
That said, I felt very pleased with myself when I kept up with a 458 for 2 seconds exiting a roundabout the other day - he was in 5th gear and not trying to accelerate; I was in 2nd just under the limiter and then pretty much flat-shifting into 3rd to keep up just in case he opened the taps so I could hear the engine. The chap very kindly smiled at the idiot in the screaming Chevrolet Kalos and dropped 2 cogs to roar off. It sounded
A 65bhp hatch has to be revved hard just to keep pace in flowing A road traffic, which is fun from time to time but would get annoying quite quickly.
That said, I felt very pleased with myself when I kept up with a 458 for 2 seconds exiting a roundabout the other day - he was in 5th gear and not trying to accelerate; I was in 2nd just under the limiter and then pretty much flat-shifting into 3rd to keep up just in case he opened the taps so I could hear the engine. The chap very kindly smiled at the idiot in the screaming Chevrolet Kalos and dropped 2 cogs to roar off. It sounded
ORD said:
In my experience, anything with a 0-60 time substantially over 10 seconds is frustratingly slow in the sense that it has to be worked hard just to make ordinary progress.Anything below 10 seconds is perfectly usable and just about fast enough to have a surge feeling when in its sweet spot.
A 65bhp hatch has to be revved hard just to keep pace in flowing A road traffic, which is fun from time to time but would get annoying quite quickly.
That said, I felt very pleased with myself when I kept up with a 458 for 2 seconds exiting a roundabout the other day - he was in 5th gear and not trying to accelerate; I was in 2nd just under the limiter and then pretty much flat-shifting into 3rd to keep up just in case he opened the taps so I could hear the engine. The chap very kindly smiled at the idiot in the screaming Chevrolet Kalos and dropped 2 cogs to roar off. It sounded
haha brilliantA 65bhp hatch has to be revved hard just to keep pace in flowing A road traffic, which is fun from time to time but would get annoying quite quickly.
That said, I felt very pleased with myself when I kept up with a 458 for 2 seconds exiting a roundabout the other day - he was in 5th gear and not trying to accelerate; I was in 2nd just under the limiter and then pretty much flat-shifting into 3rd to keep up just in case he opened the taps so I could hear the engine. The chap very kindly smiled at the idiot in the screaming Chevrolet Kalos and dropped 2 cogs to roar off. It sounded
Some cars have become faster, but humans and the laws of physics haven't.
Unleashing 500bhp(rather than the TC /ESP cutting in) on a runway is fine. ... through a road junction, down a crowded high street or a tight, twisting, undulating minor mountain road, less so.
A car that can do 0-60 in around 9 seconds may not be the fastest, but it is not slow by any normal requirement.
My fully laden 2.0 diesel (yes, decent low rpm grunt) estate car can be driven at a fairly reasonable lick across Europe and over the Austrian Alps and, even as a keen biker, never feel too slow for the job.
Unleashing 500bhp(rather than the TC /ESP cutting in) on a runway is fine. ... through a road junction, down a crowded high street or a tight, twisting, undulating minor mountain road, less so.
A car that can do 0-60 in around 9 seconds may not be the fastest, but it is not slow by any normal requirement.
My fully laden 2.0 diesel (yes, decent low rpm grunt) estate car can be driven at a fairly reasonable lick across Europe and over the Austrian Alps and, even as a keen biker, never feel too slow for the job.
In the same car, say a focus 1.4 vs a 2.0 , it would feel huge. Between two different cars, I am not so sure. I have just gone from 7.5ish - 9, a 5 series to a Ford Focus (I hate my life a bit today).
Around town, It feels much the same performance wise, Its masked by being 500kg lighter, and having short gearing.
80 BHP power deficit makes it feel like the handbrake is on when you boot it on the motorway though.
Around town, It feels much the same performance wise, Its masked by being 500kg lighter, and having short gearing.
80 BHP power deficit makes it feel like the handbrake is on when you boot it on the motorway though.
CB2152 said:
LukeR94 said:
At 19 I went from a 74hp 1.2 Corsa to a 240bhp Astra VXR.
Safe to say it felt much faster, but as you do, I sonn got used to the speed (well so I thought)
Crashed it 6 months later. Breaking 5 ribs, both bones in left arm and multiple facial fractures.
Lesson learnt. Go up in stages children.
Yours Sincerly, a stupid 20 year old
Similarly at 19, I went from a 70hp Clio to a 205hp Saab, which then remapped to 245hp. Fortunately I didn't bin it, but did come close once (well, a few times but this was closest). Full throttle in 2nd, then some torque steer happened, then while I was forcing the wheel to the left to counteract the torque steer, some traction control happened and pretty much cut the power to the wheels. This resulted in the steering wheel being under a lot less force and I nearly ended up in a ditch.Safe to say it felt much faster, but as you do, I sonn got used to the speed (well so I thought)
Crashed it 6 months later. Breaking 5 ribs, both bones in left arm and multiple facial fractures.
Lesson learnt. Go up in stages children.
Yours Sincerly, a stupid 20 year old
Hope you made a speedy recovery from your incident, sounds pretty painful!
But yes, it felt so much faster, which is why I sold it after 10 months and got something faster again. Obviously
Sincerely, a slightly less broken (for now) 21 year old
AC43 said:
dieseluser07 said:
I've compared diesels to petrols but of course diesels have a s
t lot more torque between 2000rpm and 32500rpm so tend to feel faster in that tiny window but otheriwse feel pretty slow
Fixed that for you.t lot more torque between 2000rpm and 32500rpm so tend to feel faster in that tiny window but otheriwse feel pretty slow
MatrixXXx said:
I would say anything under 0-60 in 5 seconds is fast, I would say 0-60 in 9 seconds is bordering on slow. I think its the torque that you feel that makes a car feel likes its accelerating.
fast.
Thanks for that deep insight.fast.
In what sense is something bordering in slow? , too slow for what? Drag racing? Driving onto motorways? Shopping? Covering ground?
walsh said:
In the same car, say a focus 1.4 vs a 2.0 , it would feel huge. Between two different cars, I am not so sure. I have just gone from 7.5ish - 9, a 5 series to a Ford Focus (I hate my life a bit today).
Around town, It feels much the same performance wise, Its masked by being 500kg lighter, and having short gearing.
80 BHP power deficit makes it feel like the handbrake is on when you boot it on the motorway though.
I think this is quite a big bit of it. I went from a mk4 fiesta 1.25 to a 2 litre mk3 mondeo as the daily hack due to spending a fair bit more time on the motorway so wanted a cheap armchair. Going around town and heading to the shops there's not really any difference, but motorway slip roads and leaving A road roundabouts are significantly quicker.Around town, It feels much the same performance wise, Its masked by being 500kg lighter, and having short gearing.
80 BHP power deficit makes it feel like the handbrake is on when you boot it on the motorway though.
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