RE: Ford Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth: PH Heroes
Discussion
405dogvan said:
I think the market has shrunk to the point very few are really 'worth more in parts' - which is means the only parts which will appear come from cars which go bang perhaps.
A standard & complete but working Cosworth YB engine is usually worth at least £1500. You'll get at least £1000 for a shell with id. Hence most cars, even ropey ones, are worth at least £3k in parts. Higher spec cars can be worth quite a bit more. There are still plenty of RS breakers doing just this, and many cars are still running but worth more in parts.TheAngryDog said:
I couldn't get £4k for my very good condition, 300 plus bhp G reg sapph in 2006, the market wasn't that good then, most were being broken for spares as they were worth more in parts.
I'd love another, but the M5 would have to go, and tbh I would probably be too worried about it breaking.
Sad for you but £4K seems right at the time as I think an E36 3 M3 was about £5K then. If you own an E39 M5 in 2016 that will probably start to go up in value like your Sierra Cosworth would have done. E39 M5 prices have been holding for a couple of years and the best E39 M5s are about the same as the worst E60 M5s already. I'd love another, but the M5 would have to go, and tbh I would probably be too worried about it breaking.
405dogvan said:
The 'appreciating asset' thing probably isn't true - Cossies stopped being cheap a long time ago now - they've been in the "£6k for a tatty one and £15K+ for a nice one" zone for a decade at least (with odd spikes for unusually tidy or rare examples of course)
The prices are steadily climbing now, but but you are incorrect about the price trend over the past decade. Just a couple of years ago I was looking at them with a view to buy. For £5000, you could find a decent looking one that may need a little work here and there. s
tters were the top end of £3000, and the field levelled out between £6000-£7000 with most of cars in that price bracket being well modified models in good shape. Yes, there have always been standard, low milers with an asking price in the mid teens, but your money went considerably further just a couple of years ago than it does now. There was a particularly nice looking white one in Sunderland that I had my eye on, a white 1989 model with a 4x4 bonnet. It looked absolutely stunning and the photos were pretty detailed too; the shell was in good shape and it looked like a good buy. Sadly, fears over it getting nicked put me off (it would have been an every day car, and I couldn't live with going to the Metro Centre or town or whatever and worrying that it wouldn't be there when I got back to the car park).
Everyone has their 'Cosworth memories', probably because they're such a special car with an enduring quality. I went to the Lake District with my wife in 2009, we were renting a little loft flat in Windermere. The flat was pretty crap, and it rained the whole time we were there so we typically walked between pub, to restaurant to pub, to restaurant and then back to the flat. I was fairly miserable, so I went to the local bookshop and bought a book on the Ford Cosworth models. As I was walking back home, I went past Windermere Police Station, and there outside was a beautiful Sierra Cosworth. Seeing it framed so perfectly, really made my day.
I've just finished rebuilding K plate 4x4... was missing the engine, interior and wheels as was deemed worth more in parts... Now I'm proud to have it in my mini collection as an appreciating value car. Still love my supercharged RX8, but the naughty school boy in me appreciates the slight 'hooligan' of a saffy on boost!
Olivera said:
A standard & complete but working Cosworth YB engine is usually worth at least £1500. You'll get at least £1000 for a shell with id. Hence most cars, even ropey ones, are worth at least £3k in parts. Higher spec cars can be worth quite a bit more. There are still plenty of RS breakers doing just this, and many cars are still running but worth more in parts.
Indeed, I remember looking at a replacement front splitter for one, I think the price was £1200! I can't remember if it was a Rouse Sport bumper or not, my feeling is that it was just a standard item.
.Lol and people winge about 300bhp cars costing 30k nowadays with alot more tech, equipment, safety and comfort etc. 27k in the 90s Jeees.
Surprised nobody has mentioned the Cavalier turbo. Saw one on the way to work earlier which surprised me and my first thought was how much better the cav's look than the Sierra's.
Just to point out i'm neither a Oval or Griffin fan but the Cav is surely a cheaper option here for the same performance without going down the unicorn Renault 21 route.
Surprised nobody has mentioned the Cavalier turbo. Saw one on the way to work earlier which surprised me and my first thought was how much better the cav's look than the Sierra's.
Just to point out i'm neither a Oval or Griffin fan but the Cav is surely a cheaper option here for the same performance without going down the unicorn Renault 21 route.
The Cavalier may have looked better (I disagree, but then I would) but as with all hot European Vauxhalls - the Lotus Carlton proving the exception that makes the point really - they just didn't have the engineering or pedigree to back it up. For all its mediocre mainstream 1.6L cars in hearing aid beige, Ford has walked the walk with its RS cars, way back into the 1960s.
The new Mondeo will be getting 4x4 transmission next year, with the 207bhp 2.0 diesel. Yes, I know. Not exactly exciting or tuneable, and the big 4x4 oilburner Mondy will probably be circa 1800kg. A bit heftier (but probably a lot safer) than the 1290kg Sapphire Cosworth 4x4. I parked my XR4x4 next to a current model Mondeo the other day, it felt like a tiny low-slung sports machine in comparison. I wonder if the Vignale will bring anything in the way of interesting engines? The petrol 4-pot Ford 2.3 turbo seems to get used in a lot of things now, so it is a possibility. If so, then there is the possibility of Cossie level power-per-ton.
I wouldn't go for an L reg, I would choose a pre-catalyst machine. Although I suppose it is possible that the later cars get by without one because they were made earlier and thentarted up upgraded later.
The new Mondeo will be getting 4x4 transmission next year, with the 207bhp 2.0 diesel. Yes, I know. Not exactly exciting or tuneable, and the big 4x4 oilburner Mondy will probably be circa 1800kg. A bit heftier (but probably a lot safer) than the 1290kg Sapphire Cosworth 4x4. I parked my XR4x4 next to a current model Mondeo the other day, it felt like a tiny low-slung sports machine in comparison. I wonder if the Vignale will bring anything in the way of interesting engines? The petrol 4-pot Ford 2.3 turbo seems to get used in a lot of things now, so it is a possibility. If so, then there is the possibility of Cossie level power-per-ton.
I wouldn't go for an L reg, I would choose a pre-catalyst machine. Although I suppose it is possible that the later cars get by without one because they were made earlier and then
Stupid as this will read, it's not all about the speed these days. Just taking it for a drive, is an event (probably far more than in it's youth). I have a friend with a 996 turbo, another with a new 335d, among others. Both will cover ground at speed and easily, both very nice cars, but there is something missing.
Modern cars have got faster, bigger, heavier and somehow a bit less 'fun'. Don't get me wrong, if you gave me a new performance car, I would be over the moon, but would I buy one as something special to take out on nice days? Probably not.
If anyone is interested, the 'Cossie paranoia' never leaves you. I still worry about it breaking and still won't leave it parked anywhere.
Modern cars have got faster, bigger, heavier and somehow a bit less 'fun'. Don't get me wrong, if you gave me a new performance car, I would be over the moon, but would I buy one as something special to take out on nice days? Probably not.
If anyone is interested, the 'Cossie paranoia' never leaves you. I still worry about it breaking and still won't leave it parked anywhere.
smilo996 said:
Dave Power used to bore these out to 2.4 and drop in a smaller turbo. had a warp speed buttonon the dash. Drove it for about an hour. It was just very very fast but the handling was also great.
That interior is trully aweful though.
Those 2.4 engines were great, a friend had one a few years ago, no lag, lots of torque, felt more like a big n/a than a 4 pot turbo, like a much more modern car. I seem to remember there was a reciept for £7000, for the engine nearly 20 years ago!That interior is trully aweful though.
You are right about the interior on the very late cars. Ford, for some reason 'updated' the interior with even cheaper plastics and what seems to be the steering wheel from a Transit van. Never understood that one.
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