£40k For a Mid 90's Escort - The World Has Gone Mad!
Discussion
900T-R said:
Well, on the continent the Escort Cosworth has always been bridesmaid to the Integrale which was regarded as the more complete driver's car by quite some margin and after that, usurped by the Impreza Turbo which did pretty much the same at half the price - so again this seems to be a UK-only/scene-based thing. 
Think you'll find these cars going for the same or similar money everywhere.deltashad said:
900T-R said:
Well, on the continent the Escort Cosworth has always been bridesmaid to the Integrale which was regarded as the more complete driver's car by quite some margin and after that, usurped by the Impreza Turbo which did pretty much the same at half the price - so again this seems to be a UK-only/scene-based thing.
Think you'll find these cars going for the same or similar money everywhere.900T-R said:
Well, on the continent the Escort Cosworth has always been bridesmaid to the Integrale which was regarded as the more complete driver's car by quite some margin and after that, usurped by the Impreza Turbo which did pretty much the same at half the price - so again this seems to be a UK-only/scene-based thing.
It's the same in the UK really. Apart from the Impreza thing - it's not hard to see why the Escort RS Cosworth is more desirable than an Impreza.RobinBanks said:
It's the same in the UK really.
Yeah, but what we don't have is a large gang of hardcore blue-ovalophiles to push the prices of some fast Ford iterations sky high... There's very, very few out there who would not think 'wait, for that sort of money I can get myself into something far more exotic and special...' Edited by 900T-R on Wednesday 29th October 12:07
What mint Ferrari costs £40k?
Confused by the incredulity that a car can be judged as worth more than the sum of its parts. This is supposed to be a car enthusiast forum!
Other than supply and demand, clearly the OP is missing the huge nostalgia behind the Escort, particularly from twenty or thirty somethings who had Max Power posters of these cars on the wall. The car also has genuine provenance.
Most people love a TVR, but their reputation involves smelly fibreglass, terrible build quality and the question mark over parts given the company no longer exists. In reality, the Escort may be just as troublesome, but perception is everything.
Confused by the incredulity that a car can be judged as worth more than the sum of its parts. This is supposed to be a car enthusiast forum!
Other than supply and demand, clearly the OP is missing the huge nostalgia behind the Escort, particularly from twenty or thirty somethings who had Max Power posters of these cars on the wall. The car also has genuine provenance.
Most people love a TVR, but their reputation involves smelly fibreglass, terrible build quality and the question mark over parts given the company no longer exists. In reality, the Escort may be just as troublesome, but perception is everything.
Take you pick of cars to replace the Ferrari option - perhaps a mint 993, NSX, etc.
Yes old Fords are cool, up to a limit. Perhaps a maximum of about £20k to cover the most perfect example. But some perspective is desperately needed. They are mass produced, built right down to a price, with poor build quality. They are not high end stunning machines, like many other alternatives out there. The only Ford which should be commanding a high premium is the RS200.
Yes old Fords are cool, up to a limit. Perhaps a maximum of about £20k to cover the most perfect example. But some perspective is desperately needed. They are mass produced, built right down to a price, with poor build quality. They are not high end stunning machines, like many other alternatives out there. The only Ford which should be commanding a high premium is the RS200.
hondansx said:
What mint Ferrari costs £40k?
Confused by the incredulity that a car can be judged as worth more than the sum of its parts. This is supposed to be a car enthusiast forum!
Other than supply and demand, clearly the OP is missing the huge nostalgia behind the Escort, particularly from twenty or thirty somethings who had Max Power posters of these cars on the wall. The car also has genuine provenance.
Most people love a TVR, but their reputation involves smelly fibreglass, terrible build quality and the question mark over parts given the company no longer exists. In reality, the Escort may be just as troublesome, but perception is everything.
And having owned both a Cosworth and a TVR I can safely say the escort was far better.Confused by the incredulity that a car can be judged as worth more than the sum of its parts. This is supposed to be a car enthusiast forum!
Other than supply and demand, clearly the OP is missing the huge nostalgia behind the Escort, particularly from twenty or thirty somethings who had Max Power posters of these cars on the wall. The car also has genuine provenance.
Most people love a TVR, but their reputation involves smelly fibreglass, terrible build quality and the question mark over parts given the company no longer exists. In reality, the Escort may be just as troublesome, but perception is everything.
now.....wheres me tin hat ?!!
k-ink said:
Take you pick of cars to replace the Ferrari option - perhaps a mint 993, NSX, etc.
Yes old Fords are cool, up to a limit. Perhaps a maximum of about £20k to cover the most perfect example. But some perspective is desperately needed. They are mass produced, built right down to a price, with poor build quality. They are not high end stunning machines, like many other alternatives out there. The only Ford which should be commanding a high premium is the RS200.
But does it matter about the other options if you grew up thinking the Cosworth was your dream car? As the prices are showing, there are more people in this camp than you think.Yes old Fords are cool, up to a limit. Perhaps a maximum of about £20k to cover the most perfect example. But some perspective is desperately needed. They are mass produced, built right down to a price, with poor build quality. They are not high end stunning machines, like many other alternatives out there. The only Ford which should be commanding a high premium is the RS200.
If we were all rational, we'd all be driving the same car.
k-ink said:
Take you pick of cars to replace the Ferrari option - perhaps a mint 993, NSX, etc.
Yes old Fords are cool, up to a limit. Perhaps a maximum of about £20k to cover the most perfect example. But some perspective is desperately needed. They are mass produced, built right down to a price, with poor build quality. They are not high end stunning machines, like many other alternatives out there. The only Ford which should be commanding a high premium is the RS200.
GT40? RS500? RS1800? Really?Yes old Fords are cool, up to a limit. Perhaps a maximum of about £20k to cover the most perfect example. But some perspective is desperately needed. They are mass produced, built right down to a price, with poor build quality. They are not high end stunning machines, like many other alternatives out there. The only Ford which should be commanding a high premium is the RS200.
This isn't especially directed at you k-ink, but there's a lot of badge snobbery going on here. The Escort Cosworth was built by Karmann, and has little in common with mass-produced Fords. High-end has nothing to do with it when motorsport heritage comes into play.
Talk of build quality, fit and finish, and stuff like that is really missing the point. It's like complaining that an F40 doesn't have climate control. Like moaning about a Lightweight E-Type lacking a nice range of colours.
I'm not a massive fan of the Escort Cosworth (too stodgy and slow-witted as standard) but it's an iconic machine that definitely deserves a place in any car enthusiast's garage. Yes, even for the price of a run-of-the-mill 911 (as opposed to a GT3 or similar).
I LOVE old Fords. My Dad worked at Ford. I'd own an RS200 in a heart beat. Plus a mk1 Escort and Capri, amongst a whole load of other brands of retro nostalgia. I also love properly engineered cars and exotica too. There is a place for everything. Afterall this is PH.
But come on! A reality check is required here. Remove the rose tinted specs and see old Fords for what they are: flawed, cheap, mass produced vehicles. Yes they represent some great memories of us all growing up. But that should not mean prices getting pushed up to absurdity, far beyond properly engineered exotica. They are cool up to a point and that is it.
We are truly in bubble fantasy land already. The recent £400k Audi thread highlights that!
But come on! A reality check is required here. Remove the rose tinted specs and see old Fords for what they are: flawed, cheap, mass produced vehicles. Yes they represent some great memories of us all growing up. But that should not mean prices getting pushed up to absurdity, far beyond properly engineered exotica. They are cool up to a point and that is it.
We are truly in bubble fantasy land already. The recent £400k Audi thread highlights that!
Planter said:
I loved my escort Cosworth, wish Id of held onto it a bit longer now..............
When the crash comes present owners will be wishing they bailed earlier at their current peak. So don't beat yourself up too much. It is just Tulip Mania. There will be something else to jump on soon enough.k-ink said:
I LOVE old Fords. My Dad worked at Ford. I'd own an RS200 in a heart beat. Plus a mk1 Escort and Capri, amongst a whole load of other brands of retro nostalgia. I also love properly engineered cars and exotica too. There is a place for everything. Afterall this is PH.
But come on! A reality check is required here. Remove the rose tinted specs and see old Fords for what they are: flawed, cheap, mass produced vehicles. Yes they represent some great memories of us all growing up. But that should not mean prices getting pushed up to absurdity, far beyond properly engineered exotica. They are cool up to a point and that is it.
We are truly in bubble fantasy land already. The recent £400k Audi thread highlights that!
But we're not talking about mass-production Fords. The car in question was designed by motorsport guys, used a powerplant from a great engineering company and built in a special factory in limited numbers (more than twice as many Ferrari 360s were produced, for example). Ford always made sure its cars turned in a profit, but cheapness is all relative. But come on! A reality check is required here. Remove the rose tinted specs and see old Fords for what they are: flawed, cheap, mass produced vehicles. Yes they represent some great memories of us all growing up. But that should not mean prices getting pushed up to absurdity, far beyond properly engineered exotica. They are cool up to a point and that is it.
We are truly in bubble fantasy land already. The recent £400k Audi thread highlights that!
Flawed, maybe. Compromised, certainly. As competent as a modern car, absolutely not. Absurdly overpriced simply due to a badge and perception of exotic status? Only up to a point.
Judge a fast Ford on its individual merits, and you might find it's 'worth' more than a pretty, red, Italian bag of spanners
. It's probably also 'worth' less than something similar from rival mainstream manufacturers but such is life.
RobinBanks said:
It's the same in the UK really. Apart from the Impreza thing - it's not hard to see why the Escort RS Cosworth is more desirable than an Impreza.
There are still loads of Impreza Turbos about but far fewer Escort RS Cosworths about. The price was always higher than the Sierra and the rarer a desirable car is the slower it depreciates and the faster it appreciates. The opposite is true as well.
k-ink said:
But come on! A reality check is required here. Remove the rose tinted specs and see old Fords for what they are: flawed, cheap, mass produced vehicles. Yes they represent some great memories of us all growing up. But that should not mean prices getting pushed up to absurdity, far beyond properly engineered exotica. They are cool up to a point and that is it.
Most classics are essentially crap in driving terms compared to the vehciles of today. It's a lot about rarity, romance, and nostalgia.
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