What is the most overrated car manufacturer?
Discussion
Beer Man said:
nunpuncher said:
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and sadly over here.
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cslwannabe said:
Actually Jaguar - based on my sample size of 1 (having only ever owned 1) our XF got worse and worse as the miles racked up (owned it from new to 55k miles in just under 3 years) and it frequently broke down, consumed a dozen headlights in the time we owned it, spent weeks in the dealer with electrical issues (never resolved), got through 2 sets of rear brake pads and 1 set of fronts in the time we owned it, yet the British motoring press never say a bad word against Jaguar.
Maybe you were unlucky with the breakdowns. Any manufacturer can have the odd lemon. I don't think your brake pad consumpton sounds excessive over 55k miles!I think Jaguar make cars that are great to drive and make you feel special.
yonex said:
Pan Pan said:
P.S which manufacturer just won the WRC for 2014??
And what relevance has this........
Got to your VW?
must just have been unlucky in terms of your contact with VAG products.
Um, ownership of any WRC (or WTC, or WTCC, or whatever) successes is completely by the motorsport bods that developed the car, the drivers & pit crew/on stage mechanics - all the OEM does is provide lots of money and a shell plus engine castings to put everything in...
I mean, Chevrolet has won the WTCC several times but that doesn't mean the Chevy Cruze flatspotting its tyres standing in a showroom near you is a better car than a BMW 320d.
I mean, Chevrolet has won the WTCC several times but that doesn't mean the Chevy Cruze flatspotting its tyres standing in a showroom near you is a better car than a BMW 320d.
Pan Pan said:
yonex said:
Pan Pan said:
P.S which manufacturer just won the WRC for 2014??
And what relevance has this........Got to your VW?
must just have been unlucky in terms of your contact with VAG products.
Its just a branding exercise.
900T-R said:
Um, ownership of any WRC (or WTC, or WTCC, or whatever) successes is completely by the motorsport bods that developed the car, the drivers & pit crew/on stage mechanics - all the OEM does is provide lots of money and a shell plus engine castings to put everything in...
I mean, Chevrolet has won the WTCC several times but that doesn't mean the Chevy Cruze flatspotting its tyres standing in a showroom near you is a better car than a BMW 320d.
QFT.I mean, Chevrolet has won the WTCC several times but that doesn't mean the Chevy Cruze flatspotting its tyres standing in a showroom near you is a better car than a BMW 320d.
Unless you can buy something mechanically similar to what's raced, it means nothing. Does Mercedes winning the F1 title this year make the B-class a better car than the F458?
Pan Pan said:
Only that, for this year, it beat lots of other main stream manufacturers products, in terms of durability, reliability, and by implication overall quality. So I don't recognise at all, your description of VAG products build quality and durability. Guess you
must just have been unlucky in terms of your contact with VAG products.
I dont buy the 'luck' theory. Numbers of failures don't lie and having had a few cars in my time I feel I know what is a 'fault' and what is 'luck'must just have been unlucky in terms of your contact with VAG products.
Of course we can make all cars much more reliable by dumping turbo's and reducing the amount of small highly stressed diesel engines
Why did you mention the WRC out of interest, you do know it probably doesn't even share a relay with the road car?
powerstroke said:
Land rovers are for people who want a 4x4 and not people who need them and VAG because they are a average quality make pretending to be premium
Ridiculous.(Im going to assume you aren't talking about the 1000's of defenders used daily properly off road and on farms around the world)
I have my Range Rover because I need a vehicle that can tow well, drive in deep sand whilst towing, load up a lot of kit into and travel in comfort at a decent pace.
Would another car do the same job?
Yes. Some will be better towing, some will be better off road. For driving on the road in comfort plenty would be better. But what other car does all these jobs as the Range Rover does? Not many IMO.
yonex said:
Pan Pan said:
Only that, for this year, it beat lots of other main stream manufacturers products, in terms of durability, reliability, and by implication overall quality. So I don't recognise at all, your description of VAG products build quality and durability. Guess you
must just have been unlucky in terms of your contact with VAG products.
I dont buy the 'luck' theory. Numbers of failures don't lie and having had a few cars in my time I feel I know what is a 'fault' and what is 'luck'must just have been unlucky in terms of your contact with VAG products.
Of course we can make all cars much more reliable by dumping turbo's and reducing the amount of small highly stressed diesel engines
Why did you mention the WRC out of interest, you do know it probably doesn't even share a relay with the road car?
Alfa Romeo
The 8C and 4C are stunning, as is the 2000 GTV6 Coupe, but stuff like Mitos and Guillettias are not attractive at all in my opinion, I don't see the soul and passion people seem to think they have.
Ford
Everyone raves about how they drive better than Vauxhall or Renault for e.g., but to me there's hardly anything in it. And older Fiestas feel really clostrophoebic inside.
The 8C and 4C are stunning, as is the 2000 GTV6 Coupe, but stuff like Mitos and Guillettias are not attractive at all in my opinion, I don't see the soul and passion people seem to think they have.
Ford
Everyone raves about how they drive better than Vauxhall or Renault for e.g., but to me there's hardly anything in it. And older Fiestas feel really clostrophoebic inside.
Jordan Clarkson said:
Alfa Romeo
...but stuff like Mitos and Guillettias are not attractive at all in my opinion, I don't see the soul and passion people seem to think they have.
Um, those of us who are into old Alfas don't see the "soul and passion" in these either. Personally I think that the Mito is just like my Fiat Punto in a dress. And not a very nice dress either....but stuff like Mitos and Guillettias are not attractive at all in my opinion, I don't see the soul and passion people seem to think they have.
FeelingLucky said:
Beer Man said:
THE most overrated?
BMW.
to be fair, their marketing department must be staffed entirely by genius types as their cars are f****** awful
As soon as I read the header I thought some knobbler is bound to say BMW, the manufacturer that makes the //M series.BMW.
to be fair, their marketing department must be staffed entirely by genius types as their cars are f****** awful
Cars that (almost always) hugely out perform their underpinnings. Have a read through the other suggestions and ask yourself, did you call it right with BMW?
holes, but I happen to share his opinion (but not his ahole as far as I'm aware!)nadger said:
FeelingLucky said:
Beer Man said:
THE most overrated?
BMW.
to be fair, their marketing department must be staffed entirely by genius types as their cars are f****** awful
As soon as I read the header I thought some knobbler is bound to say BMW, the manufacturer that makes the //M series.BMW.
to be fair, their marketing department must be staffed entirely by genius types as their cars are f****** awful
Cars that (almost always) hugely out perform their underpinnings. Have a read through the other suggestions and ask yourself, did you call it right with BMW?
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