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Fast Bug said:
hairyben said:
Not quite true- many of the passenger carrying variants of vans are classed as cars, the vehicles being designed to satisfy all requirements from ground up. The only difference to the speed you can "safely" drive at is essentially what taxation class your vehicles is, which underlines what a cynical money gouging exercise a lot of this speed enforcement is.
Except we're talking about Transit sized panel vans, which have a lower speed limit than that of passenger vehicles. They are goods vehicles < 7.5t, so the motorway speed limit is the same 70mph as for cars. On DCs however it is 60mph rather than 70mph for cars and 50mph on single carriageways rather than 60mph for cars.
Car derived vans are subject to the same speed limits as passenger cars, as are van derived passenger cars - Tourneo Connect and Tourneo Custom are cars as far as DVLA, HMRC and the police are concerned.
Not that most - if any - panel van drivers take much notice in practice. Or car drivers.
4941cc said:
Fast Bug said:
hairyben said:
Not quite true- many of the passenger carrying variants of vans are classed as cars, the vehicles being designed to satisfy all requirements from ground up. The only difference to the speed you can "safely" drive at is essentially what taxation class your vehicles is, which underlines what a cynical money gouging exercise a lot of this speed enforcement is.
Except we're talking about Transit sized panel vans, which have a lower speed limit than that of passenger vehicles. They are goods vehicles < 7.5t, so the motorway speed limit is the same 70mph as for cars. On DCs however it is 60mph rather than 70mph for cars and 50mph on single carriageways rather than 60mph for cars.
Car derived vans are subject to the same speed limits as passenger cars, as are van derived passenger cars - Tourneo Connect and Tourneo Custom are cars as far as DVLA, HMRC and the police are concerned.
Not that most - if any - panel van drivers take much notice in practice. Or car drivers.
4941cc said:
Both correct.
They are goods vehicles < 7.5t, so the motorway speed limit is the same 70mph as for cars. On DCs however it is 60mph rather than 70mph for cars and 50mph on single carriageways rather than 60mph for cars.
Car derived vans are subject to the same speed limits as passenger cars, as are van derived passenger cars - Tourneo Connect and Tourneo Custom are cars as far as DVLA, HMRC and the police are concerned.
Not that most - if any - panel van drivers take much notice in practice. Or car drivers.
I'm pretty sure there is also a maximum weight limit, and I would guess that the Custom is over it, so it's still a van (i.e. 60 on dual carriageways)?They are goods vehicles < 7.5t, so the motorway speed limit is the same 70mph as for cars. On DCs however it is 60mph rather than 70mph for cars and 50mph on single carriageways rather than 60mph for cars.
Car derived vans are subject to the same speed limits as passenger cars, as are van derived passenger cars - Tourneo Connect and Tourneo Custom are cars as far as DVLA, HMRC and the police are concerned.
Not that most - if any - panel van drivers take much notice in practice. Or car drivers.
bigvanfan said:
2manycars said:
BMWBen said:
2manycars said:
Having heard about the problems people are having with the mechanics on the new Transit, friend included, i decided to order the VW Transporter.
Went into 3 different VW Van centres and was basically overlooked, so decided to give Swiss Vans a try.
Spoke to a lovely chap there called Tom Jones (no joke) and i must say, in all my years of buying vehicles, he was the most helpful salesman i've come across.
Anyways i've gone for a T5 T32 DSG 4Motion LWB Kombi with the full Sportline kit.
The only downside is the lack of demos available to test drive, so i've committed without actually sitting in one.
And the other downside being that i won't take delivery until 1st March 2015. The up side is that it'll be '15 plate.
Pete
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I won't tell you my stories about the transporter then, and why I'm now in a custom
What year was your Transporter?Went into 3 different VW Van centres and was basically overlooked, so decided to give Swiss Vans a try.
Spoke to a lovely chap there called Tom Jones (no joke) and i must say, in all my years of buying vehicles, he was the most helpful salesman i've come across.
Anyways i've gone for a T5 T32 DSG 4Motion LWB Kombi with the full Sportline kit.
The only downside is the lack of demos available to test drive, so i've committed without actually sitting in one.
And the other downside being that i won't take delivery until 1st March 2015. The up side is that it'll be '15 plate.
Pete
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I won't tell you my stories about the transporter then, and why I'm now in a custom
It's crazy how much these things cost, especially considering it's just a van.
Pete
kuro said:
supersingle said:
What is going on with these new vans? I've got 58 plate vivaro which I think looks alright but the new vivaro/trafic looks bloody awful. I really don't think I could get used to it, it just makes me feel sad looking at it. Big Transit is plain offensive looking.
My next van will have to be a Transporter.
I was thinking the same thing. Are current van designers told to make them as ugly as possible?My next van will have to be a Transporter.
The worst offender is the stupid fiat doblo, it front end face makes it look like its been kicked up the arse
king liberties with that thing.Fast Bug said:
hairyben said:
Not quite true- many of the passenger carrying variants of vans are classed as cars, the vehicles being designed to satisfy all requirements from ground up. The only difference to the speed you can "safely" drive at is essentially what taxation class your vehicles is, which underlines what a cynical money gouging exercise a lot of this speed enforcement is.
Except we're talking about Transit sized panel vans, which have a lower speed limit than that of passenger vehicles. deeen said:
4941cc said:
They are goods vehicles < 7.5t
I'm pretty sure there is also a maximum weight limit, and I would guess that the Custom is over it, so it's still a van (i.e. 60 on dual carriageways)?Transit variants run from 290-470 GVWs, but those over 350 (3.5t) require additional driving licence qualifications over a standard B licence.
Although it is an ugly mothertrucker, I know exactly why the new Transit looks that way. Due to it now selling in America, Ford want to give it their commercial vehicle "face" as worn by the F-series pickup and E-series van range (the latter of which I assume the new Transit will be replacing, as it is seriously long in the tooth now)
ChemicalChaos said:
Although it is an ugly mothertrucker, I know exactly why the new Transit looks that way. Due to it now selling in America, Ford want to give it their commercial vehicle "face" as worn by the F-series pickup and E-series van range (the latter of which I assume the new Transit will be replacing, as it is seriously long in the tooth now)
Makes sense, Merc sent thei eurostyle Sprinter when they were still married to Chrysler, and now Fiat has sent their Ducato as a rebadged Chrysler / Ram product. The american fullsize vans are seriously outdated now and the eurostyle vans are a logical replacement.flatso said:
Makes sense, Merc sent thei eurostyle Sprinter when they were still married to Chrysler, and now Fiat has sent their Ducato as a rebadged Chrysler / Ram product. The american fullsize vans are seriously outdated now and the eurostyle vans are a logical replacement.
Just had a look on the RAM site..... shame they had to keep the Leslie Ash bumper! I wonder if the UK market Fiat version has the option for a 3.0 v6 petrol auto? 
Hope the OP has better luck with his Transits than I did,It's a long story but i'll cut to the important bits. In 1988 I needed two new vans, in the end I bought two Renault Traffic vans, one because of price and two because the tosser Transit salesman was such an arse saying that French crap will only last 4 years. Ran the two Trafics for 10 years and 190K miles they passed every MOT and did 35+MPG the only reason I changed was because they were a bit rusty so not good for my image.
As things had changed we only needed one MWB medium roof van and a small van so I bought a new Transit. It failed it's first and every MOT, the air con came on when you wanted to de-mist it which it misted up all the time and returned 25 MPG left me stranded with dual mass flywheel/clutch failure etc etc. So chopped it for a Citroen Relay which also fell apart within two years and was horrible to go any distance in.
In 2010 I bought another Renault Traffic Sport LWB had it racked out re-mapped and returns 40 MPG and goes very nicely coming up for 70K miles now without a single issue it's very comfortable and I really rate it, unfortunately I think the new ones are ugly so I may have a dilemma in 2020 unless they do something with its looks.
As things had changed we only needed one MWB medium roof van and a small van so I bought a new Transit. It failed it's first and every MOT, the air con came on when you wanted to de-mist it which it misted up all the time and returned 25 MPG left me stranded with dual mass flywheel/clutch failure etc etc. So chopped it for a Citroen Relay which also fell apart within two years and was horrible to go any distance in.
In 2010 I bought another Renault Traffic Sport LWB had it racked out re-mapped and returns 40 MPG and goes very nicely coming up for 70K miles now without a single issue it's very comfortable and I really rate it, unfortunately I think the new ones are ugly so I may have a dilemma in 2020 unless they do something with its looks.
Edited by BIRMA on Wednesday 12th November 19:42
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