RE: Enough exhaust noise already: Tell Me I'm Wrong
Discussion
jamieduff1981 said:
All this thread proves is that PH is full of miserable b*st*rds trying to "out mature" themselves.
For the 3rd time in the thread - the cars have f***ing buttons so if you buy the damned things you don't NEED to drive around that cesspit that is London in noisy mode.
To those that asert that cars should only make noises when driven at 10/10ths - that just means nobody gets to hear them. I don't do track days. My nearest track is over 100 miles away from me and I've got better things to do with my time than spend a weekend and hundreds of pounds every time I want my car to make less mundane noises. I'm quite happy for my cars to make contrived noises. Even my Cerbera can be mapped not to do it, but I don't care what some uber-mature tosser thinks of me if my car bangs on 6/10ths driving. My XF will do it if I manually change down for roundabouts in cities.
Tough luck.
Well said! For the 3rd time in the thread - the cars have f***ing buttons so if you buy the damned things you don't NEED to drive around that cesspit that is London in noisy mode.
To those that asert that cars should only make noises when driven at 10/10ths - that just means nobody gets to hear them. I don't do track days. My nearest track is over 100 miles away from me and I've got better things to do with my time than spend a weekend and hundreds of pounds every time I want my car to make less mundane noises. I'm quite happy for my cars to make contrived noises. Even my Cerbera can be mapped not to do it, but I don't care what some uber-mature tosser thinks of me if my car bangs on 6/10ths driving. My XF will do it if I manually change down for roundabouts in cities.
Tough luck.
You're not wrong at all. I've read the whole thread and it seems most people arguing for more noise are missing the point of the article.
I LOVE a nice sounding exhaust and I think it makes up the vast majority of a driving experience. However, it has to match the car. Not just the type of car, but the manner in which it's being driven at the time. I'm not saying that an exhaust should be silent until daft speeds, but I don't want to be driving through town in a car engineered to sound like It's always lapping the 'ring in 8 minutes. Whether it's a Corsa with a bean can on the back, or a Porsche barking computer derived farts, It just makes you look a bit stupid.
Now I hate to drag a fellow PHer's car into disrepute (and I really do like the rest of the car
), but the M-performance exhaust on this M235i makes my point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkDcAcC9rZw&ap...
Pops and bangs on 9 out of 10 throttle blips just sounds too fake to me. It makes the car sound like it's been mapped badly, not sound powerful. In contrast my e36 328 will crackle a bit on it's warm up cycle, but once it's up to temp it will only let the odd pop out when above 7/10ths and the exhaust is nice and hot. Makes it much more of an occasion and adds to the experience of a nice B-road drive.
I'm also a big van of valved/switchable exhausts. Followers of my readers cars thread will know I've fitted an override switch to the valved exhaust (normally controlled by the ECU) on my e36, so that I can choose when it's open. I like being able to have a nice exhaust sound 90% of the time, while having the option to hush it down if I'm arriving home late or on a long motorway cruise.
I LOVE a nice sounding exhaust and I think it makes up the vast majority of a driving experience. However, it has to match the car. Not just the type of car, but the manner in which it's being driven at the time. I'm not saying that an exhaust should be silent until daft speeds, but I don't want to be driving through town in a car engineered to sound like It's always lapping the 'ring in 8 minutes. Whether it's a Corsa with a bean can on the back, or a Porsche barking computer derived farts, It just makes you look a bit stupid.
Now I hate to drag a fellow PHer's car into disrepute (and I really do like the rest of the car
), but the M-performance exhaust on this M235i makes my point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkDcAcC9rZw&ap...
Pops and bangs on 9 out of 10 throttle blips just sounds too fake to me. It makes the car sound like it's been mapped badly, not sound powerful. In contrast my e36 328 will crackle a bit on it's warm up cycle, but once it's up to temp it will only let the odd pop out when above 7/10ths and the exhaust is nice and hot. Makes it much more of an occasion and adds to the experience of a nice B-road drive.
I'm also a big van of valved/switchable exhausts. Followers of my readers cars thread will know I've fitted an override switch to the valved exhaust (normally controlled by the ECU) on my e36, so that I can choose when it's open. I like being able to have a nice exhaust sound 90% of the time, while having the option to hush it down if I'm arriving home late or on a long motorway cruise.
OleVix said:
Good article. I cant believe how many idiots on here read this wrong.
It's not about loud exhausts, not about pops and bangs or awesome sounds. It's about how manufacturers create FAKE sounds or simulate sounds to make the car sound more interesting than it is. Or make it sound like old tuned engines did by adding extra code in the ecu map. That is GAY and is the same as excessive use of styled exhaust tips. Whats next? Electric cars with V8 sound from speakers all around?
Rant over.
Well said It's not about loud exhausts, not about pops and bangs or awesome sounds. It's about how manufacturers create FAKE sounds or simulate sounds to make the car sound more interesting than it is. Or make it sound like old tuned engines did by adding extra code in the ecu map. That is GAY and is the same as excessive use of styled exhaust tips. Whats next? Electric cars with V8 sound from speakers all around?
Rant over.
Edited by JordanTurbo on Friday 31st October 09:40
Tony33 said:
ith enough switchable exhaust flaps a diesel Audi could play God Save the Queen driving down the high street!
Lol... Good point. I was thinking of a simple silencer bypass flap (acceptable) more than a series of flaps controlling different resonance chambers.
I have a friend with an SQ5. I just couldn't understand the exhaust noise for a 6 cylinder diesel, Thats when I started trying to find out what the sound pack was .... It's just totally wrong to me.
But then, it's becoming more and more normal to have fake features - bolts to make one piece wheels look like split rims. 'Styled' exhaust tips in the bumper (when the real exhausts are somewhere further forward of them)....
PunterCam said:
Absolutely right. It's f
king horrible. It might as well be coming through a speaker. It's a contrived, tacky, tasteless nonsense and it makes new cars sound ste. Absolute ste.
No car, sports or otherwise, should shout about itself like that. It's embarrassing. It's just a fking Boxter. Lovely car, looks great, stellar engine, but it's just a (3.4l?) six - a very smooth, every day one at that. I'm embarrassed for those who think its acceptable, or for those who somehow think this helps with the theatre, the sense of occasion of driving - it bloody well doesn't. It's like a fking piss-take of a car. Just knowing that it's not real is enough, even before you realise you're getting the exact same pops and bangs every time you lift off the throttle.
I'm annoyed by it, if you haven't guessed. Cars have become computer controlled imitations of cars, and a combination of children who've grown up playing racing games, and folk who buy cars but aren't really into cars, have decided that this is a good thing.
Porsche should know better than to cater to idiots and children.
That, sir, is a truly impressive rant. I doff my (entirely cyber-generated) cap to you.king horrible. It might as well be coming through a speaker. It's a contrived, tacky, tasteless nonsense and it makes new cars sound ste. Absolute ste. No car, sports or otherwise, should shout about itself like that. It's embarrassing. It's just a f
king Boxter. Lovely car, looks great, stellar engine, but it's just a (3.4l?) six - a very smooth, every day one at that. I'm embarrassed for those who think its acceptable, or for those who somehow think this helps with the theatre, the sense of occasion of driving - it bloody well doesn't. It's like a fking piss-take of a car. Just knowing that it's not real is enough, even before you realise you're getting the exact same pops and bangs every time you lift off the throttle. I'm annoyed by it, if you haven't guessed. Cars have become computer controlled imitations of cars, and a combination of children who've grown up playing racing games, and folk who buy cars but aren't really into cars, have decided that this is a good thing.
Porsche should know better than to cater to idiots and children.
MikeO996 said:
I wouldn't buy a Jag F type unless they introduce the opposite of a sports exhaust option. Just sounds ridiculous around town, and shouts "look at me" in a way that is so not Jag - even new, younger audience Jag.
Have you heard a V6, either S or non-S with the exhausts on quiet/normal mode?Surely it is better for Porsches to sound like proper cars than the sewing machines of yester year?
Though it could only be the automotive brains of one nation that could provide an exhaust button.
Want authentic exhaust noise buy an MV or a Ducati. Mechanical symphonies as Thor intended.
Though it could only be the automotive brains of one nation that could provide an exhaust button.
Want authentic exhaust noise buy an MV or a Ducati. Mechanical symphonies as Thor intended.
JordanTurbo said:
You're not wrong at all. I've read the whole thread and it seems most people arguing for more noise are missing the point of the article.
I LOVE a nice sounding exhaust and I think it makes up the vast majority of a driving experience. However, it has to match the car. Not just the type of car, but the manner in which it's being driven at the time. I'm not saying that an exhaust should be silent until daft speeds, but I don't want to be driving through town in a car engineered to sound like It's always lapping the 'ring in 8 minutes. Whether it's a Corsa with a bean can on the back, or a Porsche barking computer derived farts, It just makes you look a bit stupid.
Now I hate to drag a fellow PHer's car into disrepute (and I really do like the rest of the car), but the M-performance exhaust on this M235i makes my point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkDcAcC9rZw&ap...
Pops and bangs on 9 out of 10 throttle blips just sounds too fake to me. It makes the car sound like it's been mapped badly, not sound powerful. In contrast my e36 328 will crackle a bit on it's warm up cycle, but once it's up to temp it will only let the odd pop out when above 7/10ths and the exhaust is nice and hot. Makes it much more of an occasion and adds to the experience of a nice B-road drive.
I'm also a big van of valved/switchable exhausts. Followers of my readers cars thread will know I've fitted an override switch to the valved exhaust (normally controlled by the ECU) on my e36, so that I can choose when it's open. I like being able to have a nice exhaust sound 90% of the time, while having the option to hush it down if I'm arriving home late or on a long motorway cruise.
I think you both, others on the thread, and perhaps the article author himself, are missing a fundamental fact.I LOVE a nice sounding exhaust and I think it makes up the vast majority of a driving experience. However, it has to match the car. Not just the type of car, but the manner in which it's being driven at the time. I'm not saying that an exhaust should be silent until daft speeds, but I don't want to be driving through town in a car engineered to sound like It's always lapping the 'ring in 8 minutes. Whether it's a Corsa with a bean can on the back, or a Porsche barking computer derived farts, It just makes you look a bit stupid.
Now I hate to drag a fellow PHer's car into disrepute (and I really do like the rest of the car
), but the M-performance exhaust on this M235i makes my point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkDcAcC9rZw&ap...
Pops and bangs on 9 out of 10 throttle blips just sounds too fake to me. It makes the car sound like it's been mapped badly, not sound powerful. In contrast my e36 328 will crackle a bit on it's warm up cycle, but once it's up to temp it will only let the odd pop out when above 7/10ths and the exhaust is nice and hot. Makes it much more of an occasion and adds to the experience of a nice B-road drive.
I'm also a big van of valved/switchable exhausts. Followers of my readers cars thread will know I've fitted an override switch to the valved exhaust (normally controlled by the ECU) on my e36, so that I can choose when it's open. I like being able to have a nice exhaust sound 90% of the time, while having the option to hush it down if I'm arriving home late or on a long motorway cruise.
OleVix said:
Good article. I cant believe how many idiots on here read this wrong.
It's not about loud exhausts, not about pops and bangs or awesome sounds. It's about how manufacturers create FAKE sounds or simulate sounds to make the car sound more interesting than it is. Or make it sound like old tuned engines did by adding extra code in the ecu map. That is GAY and is the same as excessive use of styled exhaust tips. Whats next? Electric cars with V8 sound from speakers all around?
Rant over.
Well said It's not about loud exhausts, not about pops and bangs or awesome sounds. It's about how manufacturers create FAKE sounds or simulate sounds to make the car sound more interesting than it is. Or make it sound like old tuned engines did by adding extra code in the ecu map. That is GAY and is the same as excessive use of styled exhaust tips. Whats next? Electric cars with V8 sound from speakers all around?
Rant over.
Edited by JordanTurbo on Friday 31st October 09:40
EVERY car exhaust noise is contrived.
Silencers/baffles/cats/pipe routing/pipe length all effect the sound coming out of the back (or side!) of cars, and in the development of EVERY car, there is a process of tuning to get this to sound 'right' (whatever 'right' may be for that particular car).
It's a case of where do you draw the line?, and surely the answer to that is totally subjective.
Edited by monthefish on Friday 31st October 12:44
PunterCam said:
Absolutely right. It's fking horrible. It might as well be coming through a speaker. It's a contrived, tacky, tasteless nonsense and it makes new cars sound ste. Absolute ste.
No car, sports or otherwise, should shout about itself like that. It's embarrassing. It's just a fking Boxter. Lovely car, looks great, stellar engine, but it's just a (3.4l?) six - a very smooth, every day one at that. I'm embarrassed for those who think its acceptable, or for those who somehow think this helps with the theatre, the sense of occasion of driving - it bloody well doesn't. It's like a fking piss-take of a car. Just knowing that it's not real is enough, even before you realise you're getting the exact same pops and bangs every time you lift off the throttle.
I'm annoyed by it, if you haven't guessed. Cars have become computer controlled imitations of cars, and a combination of children who've grown up playing racing games, and folk who buy cars but aren't really into cars, have decided that this is a good thing.
Porsche should know better than to cater to idiots and children.
Not a real noise, or not a real Porsche? king horrible. It might as well be coming through a speaker. It's a contrived, tacky, tasteless nonsense and it makes new cars sound ste. Absolute ste. No car, sports or otherwise, should shout about itself like that. It's embarrassing. It's just a f
king Boxter. Lovely car, looks great, stellar engine, but it's just a (3.4l?) six - a very smooth, every day one at that. I'm embarrassed for those who think its acceptable, or for those who somehow think this helps with the theatre, the sense of occasion of driving - it bloody well doesn't. It's like a fking piss-take of a car. Just knowing that it's not real is enough, even before you realise you're getting the exact same pops and bangs every time you lift off the throttle. I'm annoyed by it, if you haven't guessed. Cars have become computer controlled imitations of cars, and a combination of children who've grown up playing racing games, and folk who buy cars but aren't really into cars, have decided that this is a good thing.
Porsche should know better than to cater to idiots and children.
jamieduff1981 said:
MikeO996 said:
I wouldn't buy a Jag F type unless they introduce the opposite of a sports exhaust option. Just sounds ridiculous around town, and shouts "look at me" in a way that is so not Jag - even new, younger audience Jag.
Have you heard a V6, either S or non-S with the exhausts on quiet/normal mode?Completely agree!
A couple of weeks ago I saw the Evo video of Catchpole hooning around in a GTS, and wondered what on earth that annoying gurgling sound was every time he backed off.
Good to see plenty of others feel the same way.
Building the right amount of character into an engine is (I assume!) not an easy task. Too little and it's insipid and underwhelming. Too much and it's labelled as 'artificial'.
The solution is easy, just make every car sound like a Ferrari F355. Then I'll be happy.
A couple of weeks ago I saw the Evo video of Catchpole hooning around in a GTS, and wondered what on earth that annoying gurgling sound was every time he backed off.
Good to see plenty of others feel the same way.
Building the right amount of character into an engine is (I assume!) not an easy task. Too little and it's insipid and underwhelming. Too much and it's labelled as 'artificial'.
The solution is easy, just make every car sound like a Ferrari F355. Then I'll be happy.
MikeO996 said:
jamieduff1981 said:
MikeO996 said:
I wouldn't buy a Jag F type unless they introduce the opposite of a sports exhaust option. Just sounds ridiculous around town, and shouts "look at me" in a way that is so not Jag - even new, younger audience Jag.
Have you heard a V6, either S or non-S with the exhausts on quiet/normal mode?It's just as likely that the drivers of the ones you notice/hear and just enjoying themselves rather than the PHer-with-social-anxiety-issues first assumption that they're attention whoring.
KarlHungus said:
Completely agree!
A couple of weeks ago I saw the Evo video of Catchpole hooning around in a GTS, and wondered what on earth that annoying gurgling sound was every time he backed off.
Good to see plenty of others feel the same way.
A couple of weeks ago I saw the Evo video of Catchpole hooning around in a GTS, and wondered what on earth that annoying gurgling sound was every time he backed off.
Good to see plenty of others feel the same way.
KarlHungus said:
The solution is easy, just make every car sound like a Ferrari F355. Then I'll be happy.
Aren't you totally contradicting yourself there?My TR8, with it's 4.6L tuned 330 BHP V8 makes it's most beautiful sound, when idling around a car park or similar. It tells you reasonably quietly it is a big powerful engine, breathing gently into big twin drain pipes.
I have had people who heard but not seen it, wait for it to start to find out what made the beautiful subdued noise. It is a real joy.
I once raced a Morgan +4. It was half race, half weekend car. It was too difficult to get a large diameter exhaust pipe out the back of the thing, so I had a short pipe, turning out just in front of the drivers back wheel for racing, & a stock exhaust out the back for road driving. I would use the large exhaust for some sports stuff on weekends.
At one stage of it's tuning development, it developed 2 large backfires on the over run, at about 4500 & 4250 RPM, about 90 & 85 MPH. What I did not know was that it shot a sheet of flame about 15Ft out the side when it backfired.
I discovered it one night, when way out in the country, with no houses or lights, & very little traffic, coming home from an event. When I backed off as I caught a slower car, it let out this huge sheet of flame with a backfire, right in front of some poor bloke coming the other way. The poor bugger drove off onto the road verge, & stopped.
I was very careful not slow on the over run again, until I had corrected the tuning problem. I really did not want to kill someone.
I have had people who heard but not seen it, wait for it to start to find out what made the beautiful subdued noise. It is a real joy.
I once raced a Morgan +4. It was half race, half weekend car. It was too difficult to get a large diameter exhaust pipe out the back of the thing, so I had a short pipe, turning out just in front of the drivers back wheel for racing, & a stock exhaust out the back for road driving. I would use the large exhaust for some sports stuff on weekends.
At one stage of it's tuning development, it developed 2 large backfires on the over run, at about 4500 & 4250 RPM, about 90 & 85 MPH. What I did not know was that it shot a sheet of flame about 15Ft out the side when it backfired.
I discovered it one night, when way out in the country, with no houses or lights, & very little traffic, coming home from an event. When I backed off as I caught a slower car, it let out this huge sheet of flame with a backfire, right in front of some poor bloke coming the other way. The poor bugger drove off onto the road verge, & stopped.
I was very careful not slow on the over run again, until I had corrected the tuning problem. I really did not want to kill someone.
Hungrymc said:
But if I understand correctly, cars like the audi SQ5 have a 'sound actuator' which I believe is a loud speaker in the exhaust system which pumps a V8 sound track into a diesel SUV.... That's just appalling (appologies if I've miss understood the system)
That is how the system works, I think the i8 does it too, there are certainly other manufacturers looking at this.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff