RE: Enough exhaust noise already: Tell Me I'm Wrong
Discussion
Apart from my 318iS every car I've had has had a loud exhaust, the pugsport on my S1 rallye was obnoxiously loud looking back but sounded so good.
My Impreza has a TSL backbox, I don't think it's 'loud' in terms of Subaru (think Blitz nur spec etc which IMO are too loud and sound crap) it's got a nice rasp to it though. Also pops bangs when you're pressing on/got it nice and warm. It has some lovely quiet burbling when you're decelerating down hills etc.
RE: The F Type, once you'd be scared once by an errant loud bang from one moving around site at 5mph, it was genuinely funny to watch people's reaction as they thought someone was shooting as they moved around site (JLR). Some of the development cars were properly noisy, but having been out in a production one I think it's a triumph of exhaust engineering (but I'm still a yoof who likes that sort of thing).
I think if anything, its the modern tendency (on most cars with nice exhausts now I think) for excessive startup flair that generates norse-god-gargling-with-fire levels of noise that would really make you look a tit with the neighbours/supermarket car park patrons etc (esp. at 6am!)
My Impreza has a TSL backbox, I don't think it's 'loud' in terms of Subaru (think Blitz nur spec etc which IMO are too loud and sound crap) it's got a nice rasp to it though. Also pops bangs when you're pressing on/got it nice and warm. It has some lovely quiet burbling when you're decelerating down hills etc.
RE: The F Type, once you'd be scared once by an errant loud bang from one moving around site at 5mph, it was genuinely funny to watch people's reaction as they thought someone was shooting as they moved around site (JLR). Some of the development cars were properly noisy, but having been out in a production one I think it's a triumph of exhaust engineering (but I'm still a yoof who likes that sort of thing).
I think if anything, its the modern tendency (on most cars with nice exhausts now I think) for excessive startup flair that generates norse-god-gargling-with-fire levels of noise that would really make you look a tit with the neighbours/supermarket car park patrons etc (esp. at 6am!)
Noise is great, when it is backed up by performance. I think the trend towards farty pops and bangs is getting annoying tbh. But then the days of a proper cam with equal length headers and some porting is something that most people don't want or care about...as long as it blips the throttle and makes some noise on downshifts.
That Boxster sounds absolutely sh*te!
There's only one thing sounds worse than no exhaust noise and that's bad-sounding exhaust noise. The Boxster is a perfect example of the latter; a manufacturer trying waaaaay too hard and ending-up creating a droning, farting, embarrassment. More 'bl**dy great big hole in the silencer' than purposeful, powerful and controlled.
Compare it to how good (admittedly much older) Porsche flat-6s can sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6C3TEjWYXM
There's only one thing sounds worse than no exhaust noise and that's bad-sounding exhaust noise. The Boxster is a perfect example of the latter; a manufacturer trying waaaaay too hard and ending-up creating a droning, farting, embarrassment. More 'bl**dy great big hole in the silencer' than purposeful, powerful and controlled.
Compare it to how good (admittedly much older) Porsche flat-6s can sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6C3TEjWYXM
Dan Trent said:
monthefish said:
"Boxster noise terror"??
Yes, because you're driving like a c-unit in a built up area.
(no offence
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But that's exactly the thing. Implied speed/tYes, because you're driving like a c-unit in a built up area.
(no offence
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ttishness because of the theatrics is entirely unrelated to *actual* pace, which was well within acceptable boundaries. I'd do another run with the camera on the speedo/rev counter to prove the point but the car's just been collected, which is somewhat inconvenient! Cheers,
Dan
...meaning you have to brake quite a bit for the pedestrian(?) at about 30 seconds.
...and then heavy throttle immediately after to get back up to speed.
At 45 seconds you can tell you're carrying a bit of speed by how abruptly the braking was at the lights.
And then when the lights turn green, a gentle move off? No chance...fairly heavy acceleration, so much so that braking is required 2 seconds later!!
The last 10 seconds seemed to be more calm and, lo and behold, it was a lot less noisy (save for the blips on the downshifts - were they you or was it a PDK??)
I'd agree you weren't 'on it' but it was certainly no 'gentle town drive either'.
I'm not criticising the driving, merely pointing out that a less 'extrovert' drive could have been achieved if you'd tried, and therefore it is not a good illustration of the point you're making in the article.
toxgobbler said:
sagarich said:
JonRB said:
I have a "pops & bangs" map on the Syvecs ECU on my Sagaris but I rarely use it as, quite frankly, it genuinely sounds like it is damaging the engine.
It's quite amusing when used sparingly though. Especially in a tunnel -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uzHiNYnds
BRILLIANT!It's quite amusing when used sparingly though. Especially in a tunnel -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uzHiNYnds
It was also quite fun in a PH convoy to Spa Francorchamps a couple of years ago when we were stuck in slow-moving traffic. It kept my fellow convoy members amused.
monthefish said:
The road with the speed bumps every 50 yards would have been a much better example had the camera not conked out - light on/off throttle in second gear at c. 25mph with massive eruptions of bangs and pops even just coming off a trailing throttle for the humps.And the blipping was all the car though, again for clarity, it only does it in Sport Plus.
Ta!
Dan
Edited by Dan Trent on Thursday 30th October 13:02
EXACTLY!! THANK YOU!!
I love exhaust sound (not the obnoxiously loud ones), and especially that nowadays we have the valve-controlled ones to give us volume when we like and less when appropriate (for example to be able to do a trackway).
But my god I can't believe how ridiculous that 981 fake exhaust crackle is! As a previous (987) Boxster owner I was following the arrival of the new model closely, and already when watching the first promo films I was going "Uh-oh...". You could tell from the films alone that the crackle had been programmed to appear ALL THE TIME and it's too obviously artificial after about the third time already, let alone having to listen to that embarrassment continuously!
Please don't compare this to the speaker-created fake sounds from BMW because that is in an entirely different league of embarrassment. But this is bad. Once again German marketing men trying to please the 8-year old inside already idiotic simpletons and failing spectacularly in life.
I love exhaust sound (not the obnoxiously loud ones), and especially that nowadays we have the valve-controlled ones to give us volume when we like and less when appropriate (for example to be able to do a trackway).
But my god I can't believe how ridiculous that 981 fake exhaust crackle is! As a previous (987) Boxster owner I was following the arrival of the new model closely, and already when watching the first promo films I was going "Uh-oh...". You could tell from the films alone that the crackle had been programmed to appear ALL THE TIME and it's too obviously artificial after about the third time already, let alone having to listen to that embarrassment continuously!
Please don't compare this to the speaker-created fake sounds from BMW because that is in an entirely different league of embarrassment. But this is bad. Once again German marketing men trying to please the 8-year old inside already idiotic simpletons and failing spectacularly in life.
I very much like it sounding noisy, poppy, crackly.... but as you say, only when I really want it to.
I can put up with a "a bit loud" when accelerating, but am only really happy when it's proportional with throttle posistion.
And as for the pop/bang/crack.... as was said in the article, I'd like to earn it. In my last car, it required a warm exhaust and slight throttle opening on deceleration... pop pop pop.
I've yet to discover the secret on my current car, but am happy with linear volume levels, and loud is loud (I carry ear plugs for passengers).
As the article suggests, if this happens all the time, without provocation, at first it'd impress me, sometimes I'd welcome it, but I suspect 90% of the time I'd wish it wasn't there, and perhaps even 5% it'd be downright embarrassing.
I can put up with a "a bit loud" when accelerating, but am only really happy when it's proportional with throttle posistion.
And as for the pop/bang/crack.... as was said in the article, I'd like to earn it. In my last car, it required a warm exhaust and slight throttle opening on deceleration... pop pop pop.
I've yet to discover the secret on my current car, but am happy with linear volume levels, and loud is loud (I carry ear plugs for passengers).
As the article suggests, if this happens all the time, without provocation, at first it'd impress me, sometimes I'd welcome it, but I suspect 90% of the time I'd wish it wasn't there, and perhaps even 5% it'd be downright embarrassing.
Dan Trent said:
monthefish said:
The road with the speed bumps every 50 yards would have been a much better example had the camera not conked out - light on/off throttle in second gear at c. 25mph with massive eruptions of bangs and pops even just coming off a trailing throttle for the humps.And the blipping was all the car though, again for clarity, it only does it in Sport Plus.
Ta!
Dan
Edited by Dan Trent on Thursday 30th October 13:02
No worries.
p.s. Preferred your pre-edit 'bang to rights' comment. The view from my high horse was superb!!
Max_Torque said:
I suspect reactions to this topic will be neatly separated into two camps:
Under the age of 35: Great! love all that poppin n' bangin
Over the age of 35: Urgh! no thanks, i like to move swiftly and silently like a geriatric ninja in slippers
(as a just past 40 something, i'm in the second of those camps....... ;-)
Do geriatric Ninjas still move swiftly ?Under the age of 35: Great! love all that poppin n' bangin
Over the age of 35: Urgh! no thanks, i like to move swiftly and silently like a geriatric ninja in slippers
(as a just past 40 something, i'm in the second of those camps....... ;-)
The point isn't about the noise, it's the fact that it's contrived.
plasticpig said:
For the F-Type I would prefer to hear the supercharger whine rather than pops and crackles.
Same. Annoys me they feel the need to engineer that out and then stick a load of fuel down the exhaust instead! That Porsche is a bit ott, particularly if you couldnt turn it off. Give me induction noise any day over loud exhausts.
I think some people take life way too seriously.
The cars in question are switchable. It's not that I don't see the problem - there genuinely isn't a problem.
For the record, I'm not retired yet so enjoy noise. I genuinely hope I never 'grow up' if that means getting upset about noisy fuel maps.
The cars in question are switchable. It's not that I don't see the problem - there genuinely isn't a problem.
For the record, I'm not retired yet so enjoy noise. I genuinely hope I never 'grow up' if that means getting upset about noisy fuel maps.
j_s14a said:
Now thats a decent exhaust soundHaving a map that specifically makes an engine pop and bang is the most poxy and cringe worthy thing I've ever heard of. I like a car that is purposeful and happens to make these noises when driven utterly flat out on a track. My stylus kicks out flames and bangs every now and again if you're absolutely flooring on track but to make a car do it at 30mph through town or through a tunnel... uber bent.
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