RE: Enough exhaust noise already: Tell Me I'm Wrong

[bunyarra]

Can't stop smiling with every fart and crack from the F Type V6S. Sure, will try to behave late at night but otherwise it's fair game.

Another 10 years and we will look back on the era of real engine noises in new cars with nostalgic sadness.

[ToothbrushMan]

Im still rubbing the sleep out of my eyes orzat least thats what im hoping it is or was i reading the thread title correctly???
Enough exhaust noise "already"?
Is this just another one of those transatlantic americanisms us Brits cannot get enough of lately? Just by way of a retort, read that question in monotone without the upper inflection at the end. Now im just being an arse so ill grab my coat.......

[Martin_Hx]

wormus said:

Do you mean the Martek GSX-R? Yes, lovely piece of machinery.

Couldn't remember what it was called! Whoever they first fired it up the look on his face was a mix of fear and enjoyment

[Gary C]

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

Well, obviously, duh.

well we seem to have made it quite far into a long discussion where people who don't own these cars just complain that they don't want to own these cars, so maybe it isn't that fking obvious at all.

Why would anyone who has spent hard earned cash and presumably researched, tested and have decided that they like the car and what it does, then come on here and complain about it ?

So fking duh

[Blown2CV]

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

Well, obviously, duh.

well we seem to have made it quite far into a long discussion where people who don't own these cars just complain that they don't want to own these cars, so maybe it isn't that fking obvious at all.

Why would anyone who has spent hard earned cash and presumably researched, tested and have decided that they like the car and what it does, then come on here and complain about it ?

So fking duh

I didn't test mine, I just bought it unseen based on the great lease price and there being no physical cars in the network. It's entirely possible that after driving the car a few thousand miles might make an owner decide that they don't like the sound. Finally I really wonder what percentage of the "I'm against this" crew actually own a traditionally amazing sounding classic car, and what percentage are just bitter, boring or skint? Wind your neck in.

[Gary C]

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

Well, obviously, duh.

well we seem to have made it quite far into a long discussion where people who don't own these cars just complain that they don't want to own these cars, so maybe it isn't that fking obvious at all.

Why would anyone who has spent hard earned cash and presumably researched, tested and have decided that they like the car and what it does, then come on here and complain about it ?

So fking duh

I didn't test mine, I just bought it unseen based on the great lease price and there being no physical cars in the network. It's entirely possible that after driving the car a few thousand miles might make an owner decide that they don't like the sound. Finally I really wonder what percentage of the "I'm against this" crew actually own a traditionally amazing sounding classic car, and what percentage are just bitter, boring or skint? Wind your neck in.

Oh go play with your matchbox toy

[kourgath]

Loud, characterful exhaust noise is good some of the time - my V8 Landy was too loud at one point so I had to quieten it down a bit.

Back in the mid eighties my M.Eng final year project was active noise control in cars with the aim to reduce the noise inside the cab. At the time Lotus had a demonstrator system in a Citroen AX which could sound like a V8 and other things. Apparently it was driven with more "verve" with the V8 soundtrack but didn't go any faster. Today we have BMW, VW group and others using active control for in-cab and exhuast sound 'enhancement'. Shame we need to add noise to make the car sound exciting. There is nothing wrong with engineering the sounds a car makes but this extra level of fakery lacks subtlety. Great if there is an off button but not when the car does it all the time and just sounds like something it isn't (eg Race tuned car with huge overlap and fuel distribution problems at various revs).

And just to start another war - characterful engine noise how about this http://youtu.be/fa5ivpJwmIQ. Cross-plane crank V8 not these flat-plane V8s that sound like two farty I4...

[Blown2CV]

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

Well, obviously, duh.

well we seem to have made it quite far into a long discussion where people who don't own these cars just complain that they don't want to own these cars, so maybe it isn't that fking obvious at all.

Why would anyone who has spent hard earned cash and presumably researched, tested and have decided that they like the car and what it does, then come on here and complain about it ?

So fking duh

I didn't test mine, I just bought it unseen based on the great lease price and there being no physical cars in the network. It's entirely possible that after driving the car a few thousand miles might make an owner decide that they don't like the sound. Finally I really wonder what percentage of the "I'm against this" crew actually own a traditionally amazing sounding classic car, and what percentage are just bitter, boring or skint? Wind your neck in.

Oh go play with your matchbox toy

the irony of that after your unbelievably childish responses is just bizarre.

[Gary C]

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

Well, obviously, duh.

well we seem to have made it quite far into a long discussion where people who don't own these cars just complain that they don't want to own these cars, so maybe it isn't that fking obvious at all.

Why would anyone who has spent hard earned cash and presumably researched, tested and have decided that they like the car and what it does, then come on here and complain about it ?

So fking duh

I didn't test mine, I just bought it unseen based on the great lease price and there being no physical cars in the network. It's entirely possible that after driving the car a few thousand miles might make an owner decide that they don't like the sound. Finally I really wonder what percentage of the "I'm against this" crew actually own a traditionally amazing sounding classic car, and what percentage are just bitter, boring or skint? Wind your neck in.

Oh go play with your matchbox toy

the irony of that after your unbelievably childish responses is just bizarre.

Or that you can't understand why anyone who owns a car who's exhaust sound is artificially enhanced, don't join a thread to complain about it ffs.
If you dislike it, then your unlikely to buy one. if you own one, your unlikely to moan about how you don't like even an aspect of the car you paid good money for. People just don't tend to do it, they become protective and defensive about it.

That's why, duh, 'no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about'. Would have thought that was fairly obvious.

Edited by Gary C on Tuesday 11th November 21:47

[Jewelly_Boy]

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

I've had one a month now and find it a bit bland to be honest.

But then I've had more fun RWD cars before hand so maybe that has ruined it for me.

[Blown2CV]

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Gary C said:

Blown2CV said:

Every time i get in my golf R and fire it up, engage race, flick the DSG into sport and tear off down the road it just makes me sad. Thud upchanges and blip downchanges make me cry a bit. Just kidding - the whole ownership experience is obviously fking great. I notice no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about.

Well, obviously, duh.

well we seem to have made it quite far into a long discussion where people who don't own these cars just complain that they don't want to own these cars, so maybe it isn't that fking obvious at all.

Why would anyone who has spent hard earned cash and presumably researched, tested and have decided that they like the car and what it does, then come on here and complain about it ?

So fking duh

I didn't test mine, I just bought it unseen based on the great lease price and there being no physical cars in the network. It's entirely possible that after driving the car a few thousand miles might make an owner decide that they don't like the sound. Finally I really wonder what percentage of the "I'm against this" crew actually own a traditionally amazing sounding classic car, and what percentage are just bitter, boring or skint? Wind your neck in.

Oh go play with your matchbox toy

the irony of that after your unbelievably childish responses is just bizarre.

Or that you can't understand why anyone who owns a car who's exhaust sound is artificially enhanced, don't join a thread to complain about it ffs.
If you dislike it, then your unlikely to buy one. if you own one, your unlikely to moan about how you don't like even an aspect of the car you paid good money for. People just don't tend to do it, they become protective and defensive about it.

That's why, duh, 'no-one who actually owns one of these cars has anything to complain about'. Would have thought that was fairly obvious.

Edited by Gary C on Tuesday 11th November 21:47

I'm bored of talking to you. You have however inspired me to book a weekend away in the peaks though so I'll go off and play in my matchbox car. Thanks very much!

[dfen5]

There's a couple of hyper cars near to my house; Ferrari, Merc' and a Jag'. I don't recall ever being woken up by them.

What I do recall being woken up by is stupid wkers in their Corsas or whatever driving the mile-and-a-half from town, past my house and on - a dead straight 40mph road - in third gear. It's as if they're trying to keep the VTec in (Yo!). The stupid noise from the exhaust droning through the house.

And then there's a dick who insists on riding a monkey bike or whatever they're called that sounds like it has no exhaust at all. There's a neighbourhood lynch mob ready for that idiot.

As for "it's ok during the day to make loads of noise" idea maybe we should spare a thought for the people who work shifts, especially those in the emergency services.

There's no reason for st sounding exhausts. Self indulgent, misplaced belief that anyone actually thinks their (insert car/bike of choice here) is 'well bad innit'.

[cyberface]

LukeBird said:

Point slightly missed there... I have no problem with bypass valves to make the engine louder, when opened up, it's just the insane amount of noise that's normally associated with it. More noise = good; insane amount of noise = not good.

In fairness, my current car is like a Prius in comparison to my old MX-5!

There are MX-5s and then there are MX-5s For such a titchy engine the noise some of the JDM aftermarket zorsts make should imply the car's been tuned so far that it has the power-to-weight ratio of a 1199 Panigale. I'm not aware of any 5s that are that quick

This article was flamebait from the beginning though, and in typical PH fashion look what happened. As you'd expect, I agree with your viewpoint, but I'd pin it down more specifically to 'too loud for trackdays = not good'. Having more noise than performance - the 'all mouth and no trousers' effect - isn't IMO ideal but this only comes down to how much one cares about what others think; how much your behaviour is driven by the crowd.

The sad thing is that manufacturers only added / optimised sonic characteristics because of market research, so someone was saying that they wanted passion / excitement / involvement.

And that means enthusiasts have been listened to. I don't care if manufacturers get things wrong, because I will always end up modifying my cars regardless. But in a world where motoring enthusiasts of all flavours are increasingly marginalised and a passion for speed derided, any attempt by manufacturers to recognise the excitement of driving over and above white-goods A-to-B transport should be supported.

This is about principle, not specific application, and a major enthusiast website sending out mixed messages can't help.

In the words of a previous poster - 'enjoy it whilst you can' - I'm not sure if the pun was intentional

[Gary C]

Blown2CV said:

I'm bored of talking to you. You have however inspired me to book a weekend away in the peaks though so I'll go off and play in my matchbox car. Thanks very much!

Well, that's good. I'm sure it's nice car, enjoy it and your weekend.

Think I will go for a blast in my 89 Carrera, classic Oem flat 6 exhaust included.

Oh, maybe I should comment about it's lack of noise deadening, the classic rattle of the g50/5 gearbox and the louder than modern exhaust. Now I wonder why owners are not on this thread about these ?

[Tony33]

cyberface said:

This is about principle, not specific application, and a major enthusiast website sending out mixed messages can't help.

Sums it up perfectly for me!

[epoch911]

THIS is exhaust noise.

Started yesterday for the first time in 100 years following a 10 year restoration. Originally designed to break the land speed record in 1911, but now running in road spec!

They don't make 'em like they used to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfYbH7926gk&fe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6sSSzXW898&fe...

...and that's at idle.