RE: Delivery miles: LaFerrari, P1 and 918 Spyder
Discussion
traxx said:
Will also be interesting to see where the prices are in two years, by which time all the Mclaren "kit cars" will have broken down and the Porsche will be showing its true engineering quality
I am amazed you can say such a comment about McLaren all cars go wrong I am sure all your super cars have had a problem or two..928S4Legend said:
Two of the cars are naturally aspirated, one has turbos...
strap a few turbos on the LF and 918 and see what happens?
P1 is a great car no doubt but it doesnt have the purity of the lF and the 918, technology tour de forces...
Isn't it the case that actually the most ground breaking technology is the 918?strap a few turbos on the LF and 918 and see what happens?
P1 is a great car no doubt but it doesnt have the purity of the lF and the 918, technology tour de forces...
Welshbeef said:
928S4Legend said:
Two of the cars are naturally aspirated, one has turbos...
strap a few turbos on the LF and 918 and see what happens?
P1 is a great car no doubt but it doesnt have the purity of the lF and the 918, technology tour de forces...
Isn't it the case that actually the most ground breaking technology is the 918?strap a few turbos on the LF and 918 and see what happens?
P1 is a great car no doubt but it doesnt have the purity of the lF and the 918, technology tour de forces...
andrew said:
Welshbeef said:
928S4Legend said:
Two of the cars are naturally aspirated, one has turbos...
strap a few turbos on the LF and 918 and see what happens?
P1 is a great car no doubt but it doesnt have the purity of the lF and the 918, technology tour de forces...
Isn't it the case that actually the most ground breaking technology is the 918?strap a few turbos on the LF and 918 and see what happens?
P1 is a great car no doubt but it doesnt have the purity of the lF and the 918, technology tour de forces...
Welshbeef said:
When Top gear tested them Richard H made the claim that the 918 was much more the car for the future tech v the LaFerrari and P1. No idea what that means though..
It means Hammond has no idea what he's talking about. And unfortunately, neither does any journalist these days, as cars are now simply too complicated for an non expert in the field to fully understand and assess tbh. Add in the fact that most viewers/readers just want to hear "ooohh, isn't it fast" or "POWERRRRRRR" etc, well, you get the idea.........Welshbeef said:
When Top gear tested them Richard H made the claim that the 918 was much more the car for the future tech v the LaFerrari and P1. No idea what that means though..
Top Gear ??Aaaa Top Gear, forgot about that, that programm which once, long ago, was an enjoyable car programme made by car people, turned into a terribly, overacted, annoying car SHOW made by ever more attention seeking (XXX) people....
Richard H. most probably doesn't know either....
DeltonaS said:
Welshbeef said:
When Top gear tested them Richard H made the claim that the 918 was much more the car for the future tech v the LaFerrari and P1. No idea what that means though..
Top Gear ??Aaaa Top Gear, forgot about that, that programm which once, long ago, was an enjoyable car programme made by car people, turned into a terribly, overacted, annoying car SHOW made by ever more attention seeking (XXX) people....
Richard H. most probably doesn't know either....
Europa1 said:
DeltonaS said:
Welshbeef said:
When Top gear tested them Richard H made the claim that the 918 was much more the car for the future tech v the LaFerrari and P1. No idea what that means though..
Top Gear ??Aaaa Top Gear, forgot about that, that programm which once, long ago, was an enjoyable car programme made by car people, turned into a terribly, overacted, annoying car SHOW made by ever more attention seeking (XXX) people....
Richard H. most probably doesn't know either....
Welshbeef said:
Europa1 said:
DeltonaS said:
Welshbeef said:
When Top gear tested them Richard H made the claim that the 918 was much more the car for the future tech v the LaFerrari and P1. No idea what that means though..
Top Gear ??Aaaa Top Gear, forgot about that, that programm which once, long ago, was an enjoyable car programme made by car people, turned into a terribly, overacted, annoying car SHOW made by ever more attention seeking (XXX) people....
Richard H. most probably doesn't know either....
The 918 is the most innovative hybrid hyper car by a long way in my view.
It's the only one to bother using front wheel braking regen (where most energy can be taken from), and also to employ awd and two e-motors to allow some really fancy tractive and performance dynamic benefits.
It can also drive the furthest on e-power only.
So it makes concessions to both outright accelerative performance using hybrid tech, and also to dynamic performance using hybrid tech, and economy benefits using hybrid tech.
None of the others go so far to leverage the downsides of the hybrid elements they added to achieve the outcome they did.
Dave
It's the only one to bother using front wheel braking regen (where most energy can be taken from), and also to employ awd and two e-motors to allow some really fancy tractive and performance dynamic benefits.
It can also drive the furthest on e-power only.
So it makes concessions to both outright accelerative performance using hybrid tech, and also to dynamic performance using hybrid tech, and economy benefits using hybrid tech.
None of the others go so far to leverage the downsides of the hybrid elements they added to achieve the outcome they did.
Dave
Max_Torque said:
It means Hammond has no idea what he's talking about. And unfortunately, neither does any journalist these days, as cars are now simply too complicated for an non expert in the field to fully understand and assess tbh. Add in the fact that most viewers/readers just want to hear "ooohh, isn't it fast" or "POWERRRRRRR" etc, well, you get the idea.........
Interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyyO7vrdiI
I'm impressed by the P1 until the 918 does it's time and is so close, despite more weight, less power, and technically a lot less grip running higher off the floor with road suspension and less focussed tyres (I think)
It'd be interesting if they'd have run the P1 in road spec to get a feel for things.
In any case, I expected the P1 to be a LOT faster given it's ability to run in a focussed track only mode, run with more power, and run with less weight.
Dave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyyO7vrdiI
I'm impressed by the P1 until the 918 does it's time and is so close, despite more weight, less power, and technically a lot less grip running higher off the floor with road suspension and less focussed tyres (I think)
It'd be interesting if they'd have run the P1 in road spec to get a feel for things.
In any case, I expected the P1 to be a LOT faster given it's ability to run in a focussed track only mode, run with more power, and run with less weight.
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Interesting video.180 TWR vs 60)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyyO7vrdiI
I'm impressed by the P1 until the 918 does it's time and is so close, despite more weight, less power, and technically a lot less grip running higher off the floor with road suspension and less focussed tyres (I think)
It'd be interesting if they'd have run the P1 in road spec to get a feel for things.
In any case, I expected the P1 to be a LOT faster given it's ability to run in a focussed track only mode, run with more power, and run with less weight.
Dave
180 TWR vs 60 TWR ( p1 tyre)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyyO7vrdiI
I'm impressed by the P1 until the 918 does it's time and is so close, despite more weight, less power, and technically a lot less grip running higher off the floor with road suspension and less focussed tyres (I think)
It'd be interesting if they'd have run the P1 in road spec to get a feel for things.
In any case, I expected the P1 to be a LOT faster given it's ability to run in a focussed track only mode, run with more power, and run with less weight.
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
love how the Macca's badge is peeling off at 1min 4 seconds 
I'd hope the quality control is better now.
Mr Whippy said:
wtdoom said:
180 TWR vs 60 TWR ( p1 tyre)
Never heard of TWR's before, or what they mean. Nor has Google except for this thread by the look of it Care to elaborate?
So TWR, with higher being worse?
But I'm guessing it's not a linear relationship either. And the testing isn't likely to be anything reflecting the kinda use on a race track. More trundling along at a fixed low speed on a highway.
So yeah if Cup 2 are considered more sticky, then fine.
But even if you offset the P1 aero/suspension lowering and call it 'even', then the power to weight differential still doesn't put it so far ahead on the bang it's getting for what it's got spec wise.
It'd be very interesting to see the P1 and 918 competing with same tyres and the P1 running in road mode, then it's levelling out any potential disparities and we can see what each car can do 'like for like' with what they have.
It's clear the P1 has some great benefits in it's fancy suspension and aero stuff for track only use, but what I'm wondering is how much they really benefit it vs if it's not used on track!
Dave
But I'm guessing it's not a linear relationship either. And the testing isn't likely to be anything reflecting the kinda use on a race track. More trundling along at a fixed low speed on a highway.
So yeah if Cup 2 are considered more sticky, then fine.
But even if you offset the P1 aero/suspension lowering and call it 'even', then the power to weight differential still doesn't put it so far ahead on the bang it's getting for what it's got spec wise.
It'd be very interesting to see the P1 and 918 competing with same tyres and the P1 running in road mode, then it's levelling out any potential disparities and we can see what each car can do 'like for like' with what they have.
It's clear the P1 has some great benefits in it's fancy suspension and aero stuff for track only use, but what I'm wondering is how much they really benefit it vs if it's not used on track!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
So TWR, with higher being worse?
But even if you offset the P1 aero/suspension lowering and call it 'even', then the power to weight differential still doesn't put it so far ahead on the bang it's getting for what it's got spec wise.
It'd be very interesting to see the P1 and 918 competing with same tyres and the P1 running in road mode, then it's levelling out any potential disparities and we can see what each car can do 'like for like' with what they have.
It's clear the P1 has some great benefits in it's fancy suspension and aero stuff for track only use, but what I'm wondering is how much they really benefit it vs if it's not used on track!
Dave
Depends what one considers 'worse'. Cup2 TWR 180, trofeos/corsa at 60. In theory if one believes that, the Cup2 will last a lot longer than either Pirelli tyre.But even if you offset the P1 aero/suspension lowering and call it 'even', then the power to weight differential still doesn't put it so far ahead on the bang it's getting for what it's got spec wise.
It'd be very interesting to see the P1 and 918 competing with same tyres and the P1 running in road mode, then it's levelling out any potential disparities and we can see what each car can do 'like for like' with what they have.
It's clear the P1 has some great benefits in it's fancy suspension and aero stuff for track only use, but what I'm wondering is how much they really benefit it vs if it's not used on track!
Dave
Agreed, would love to see a P1 bolt on some Cup2s and do a track test in non race mode to see what difference it makes vs the 918. Would like to see the difference in lap time between race mode and road legal ride height (track mode i suppose) to be honest as well.
isaldiri said:
Depends what one considers 'worse'. Cup2 TWR 180, trofeos/corsa at 60. In theory if one believes that, the Cup2 will last a lot longer than either Pirelli tyre.
Agreed, would love to see a P1 bolt on some Cup2s and do a track test in non race mode to see what difference it makes vs the 918. Would like to see the difference in lap time between race mode and road legal ride height (track mode i suppose) to be honest as well.
Both cars in standard form to be driven by mr Bean around the Nordschleife.Agreed, would love to see a P1 bolt on some Cup2s and do a track test in non race mode to see what difference it makes vs the 918. Would like to see the difference in lap time between race mode and road legal ride height (track mode i suppose) to be honest as well.
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