Tyre fitters will only fit tyres bought from them

Tyre fitters will only fit tyres bought from them

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SuperVM

1,098 posts

160 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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OpulentBob said:
LordHaveMurci said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snap, though being honest I think £10 a corner is pretty good! 4 corners takes probably 45-60 mins, from start to finish. £40 an hour isn't much to cover everything
An hour to change four tyres?! Not unless they are some weird & wonderful spec I shouldn't think.

Edited by LordHaveMurci on Thursday 30th October 13:13
Yep, no way an hour. I has 2 x 18" tyres fitted on Tuesday evening by one guy, total including jacking the car up, finding the locking nut, balancing etc, and paying, was 20 mins.
I think the original quote was 45 - 60 minutes and I always find it is closer to the higher end of that scale. Perhaps I'm just unlucky, but every tyre fitter I've used to change four tyres has taken over an hour. Usually he'll do one tyre, then stop to talk to his mates or drink tea for a bit. I've also had tyres put on backwards and then the whole process had to start again, as well as one company's tyre compressor dying half way through the job.

shakotan

10,679 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else wink
20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.

The Don of Croy

5,976 posts

158 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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I've had a similar issue, but with new tyres.

In the end Kwik Fit did it for £40 + £10 VAT as I said they were winter tyres...except they didn't supply them. they told me later they wouldn't have done it had I 'fessed up.

The other local fitter - Wealden Tyres - wants £15.00 per corner (inc VAT). But they were also at least 25% cheaper putting the brake pads in at the same time (wifey had new tyres too).

Even the lad fitting tyres in a converted barn out in the sticks wanted £15 per tyre.


HTP99

22,443 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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shakotan said:
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else wink
20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
So; you can drive your car in to the workshop, jack it up, remove the wheel, put it on the machine, remove the tyre, put a new tyre on, inflate it, balance it and put it back on the the car, all in 3 minutes.....wow!!

jon-

16,497 posts

215 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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shakotan said:
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else wink
20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
You're pretty special. As a break down I'd give that:

30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.

Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar wink

deltashad

6,731 posts

196 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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I was shocked at the high price of tyres in Romania, it's about who you know here. Just had a call from a friend he's set me up with a guy to supply four used winter tyres and fitted for 350Ron, around 75 quid. I'm delighted. The main tyre places were asking nearly double UK prices.

cheesesliceking

1,571 posts

239 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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TonyHetherington said:
Snap, though being honest I think £10 a corner is pretty good! 4 corners takes probably 45-60 mins, from start to finish. £40 an hour isn't much to cover everything
Have you every had 4 tyres changed at once?

In no way does it take an hour, even 45min is taking the piss, you need to go somewhere else or stop making stuff up.

ezi

1,734 posts

185 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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The only places I've found who won't fit customer supplied tyres is chain-garages such as Kwik Fit, never found a small indie who would refuse. It's a quick £30-40 for them doing not much work...why would they turn it away?!

framerateuk

2,730 posts

183 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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I use a mobile fitter to fit my Caterham tyres for me - mainly because I have to get them online since garages seem unable to order "motorsport" tyres. He changes £10 per wheel which is fine as far as I'm concerned!

Mound Dawg

1,915 posts

173 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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shakotan said:
20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
Bet your cat is blacker than mine too.

jimi

521 posts

262 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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don't go to a new tyre chain, go to a 2nd hand tyre fitting place, arches garage type of place - usually about £5 a corner.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted'


xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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mph1977 said:
RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted'
rofl

£40m, yeah right!

That would be quite an achievement given most PL policies are around £2m indemnity limit, maybe £5m (£20-£25m for airside, granted) and the most expensive motor vehicle incident so far was about £22m. Not sure a secondhand tyre supplied by the vehicle owner is going to give rise to liability to the tune of £40m to the tyre fitter.

Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 15:30

g3org3y

20,606 posts

190 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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ezi said:
The only places I've found who won't fit customer supplied tyres is chain-garages such as Kwik Fit, never found a small indie who would refuse. It's a quick £30-40 for them doing not much work...why would they turn it away?!
Likewise.

My local chap does it for £10/corner and tightens the nuts properly with a torque wrench (none of that airgun malarkey).

shakotan

10,679 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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jon- said:
shakotan said:
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else wink
20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
You're pretty special. As a break down I'd give that:

30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.

Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar wink
Takes less than 30 seconds to jack a car up using a decent high lift trolley jack, more like 10.
Takes less than 30 second to remove a wheel, less than 10 actually with an impact gun.
Bead breaking probably 20 seconds
Removing a tyre is 2 revolutions of the turntable, so about 20 seconds maximum
Installing a tyre, 1 revolution of the turntable as 'throwing' the new tyre on puts the first bead over the rim. Add another 10 seconds for soaping the beads (matron!)
Probably 30 seconds to inflate enough to pop the beads on, then deflate to correct pressure.
Granted I hadn't taken balancing into account, but that would be no more than 2 minutes on a computerised system.
Re-installation of wheel maybe 30 seconds due to having to start the wheel nuts/bolts by hand.

So 140 seconds of actually labour time (excluding balancing), allowing another minute collectively for transition time between each stage, I think I was pretty close with 3 mins per tyre.

Without interruption, 5 mins changing a tyre including balancing is not an unrealistic prospect at all.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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xRIEx said:
mph1977 said:
RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted'
rofl

£40m, yeah right!

That would be quite an achievement given most PL policies are around £2m indemnity limit, maybe £5m (£20-£25m for airside, granted) and the most expensive motor vehicle incident so far was about £22m. Not sure a secondhand tyre supplied by the vehicle owner is going to give rise to liability to the tune of £40m to the tyre fitter.

Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 15:30
to suggest a 40 million GBP motoring insurance claim is 'rofl' territory demonstrates an utter lack of insight into road risk , the level of payout in high value personal injury claims

Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp

high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common


shakotan

10,679 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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This video shows a relatively slow process of changing a tyre taking around 4 minutes excluding removal from car and balancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdkGFY2dNE

There are quite a few unnecessary steps (bringing in additional rollers and clamps etc), but shows that on a less complicated machine, tyre changing is easily achievable in under 3 mins. Jacking up and removing the wheel take seconds with a good jack and impact driver.

shakotan

10,679 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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Another video, 3 minutes from bead breaking to tyre installation. Add on 5 minutes MAXIMUM for removal of tyre from car, balancing and re-installation on the vehicle, so 8 mins at a leisurely pace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63HXYa7KBE

20 minutes PER TYRE is an absolute joke.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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mph1977 said:
xRIEx said:
mph1977 said:
RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted'
rofl

£40m, yeah right!

That would be quite an achievement given most PL policies are around £2m indemnity limit, maybe £5m (£20-£25m for airside, granted) and the most expensive motor vehicle incident so far was about £22m. Not sure a secondhand tyre supplied by the vehicle owner is going to give rise to liability to the tune of £40m to the tyre fitter.

Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 15:30
to suggest a 40 million GBP motoring insurance claim is 'rofl' territory demonstrates an utter lack of insight into road risk , the level of payout in high value personal injury claims

Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp

high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common
PI claims at what level? How common? Common among the total PI risks in the country? I doubt it, as many of the indemnity (or aggregate) limits are in the region of £1m-£2m. For it to be 'common' the risks engendering claims of £10m would need to be common, and the majority of PI policies will be in the £1m-£2m (or lower) cover levels as I mentioned. I don't think local estate agents are going to be getting sued for £10m laugh

Selby Rail Crash was the £22m payout I was talking about, where are you getting £40-50m from?

I'd say I have an above-lay understanding of road risks, having sold and administered insurance policies and deal with insurance claims. A frequency-severity plot might be useful at this point.

Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 16:17

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

123 months

Thursday 30th October 2014
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mph1977 said:
to suggest a 40 million GBP motoring insurance claim is 'rofl' territory demonstrates an utter lack of insight into road risk , the level of payout in high value personal injury claims

Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp

high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common
You've been reading some daft propaganda, probably from some kind of "compliance" outfits' press releases.