Tyre fitters will only fit tyres bought from them
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OpulentBob said:
LordHaveMurci said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snap, though being honest I think £10 a corner is pretty good! 4 corners takes probably 45-60 mins, from start to finish. £40 an hour isn't much to cover everything
An hour to change four tyres?! Not unless they are some weird & wonderful spec I shouldn't think.Edited by LordHaveMurci on Thursday 30th October 13:13
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)
At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else
I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
I've had a similar issue, but with new tyres.
In the end Kwik Fit did it for £40 + £10 VAT as I said they were winter tyres...except they didn't supply them. they told me later they wouldn't have done it had I 'fessed up.
The other local fitter - Wealden Tyres - wants £15.00 per corner (inc VAT). But they were also at least 25% cheaper putting the brake pads in at the same time (wifey had new tyres too).
Even the lad fitting tyres in a converted barn out in the sticks wanted £15 per tyre.
In the end Kwik Fit did it for £40 + £10 VAT as I said they were winter tyres...except they didn't supply them. they told me later they wouldn't have done it had I 'fessed up.
The other local fitter - Wealden Tyres - wants £15.00 per corner (inc VAT). But they were also at least 25% cheaper putting the brake pads in at the same time (wifey had new tyres too).
Even the lad fitting tyres in a converted barn out in the sticks wanted £15 per tyre.
shakotan said:
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)
At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else
I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
shakotan said:
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)
At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else
I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.
Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar
TonyHetherington said:
Snap, though being honest I think £10 a corner is pretty good! 4 corners takes probably 45-60 mins, from start to finish. £40 an hour isn't much to cover everything
Have you every had 4 tyres changed at once? In no way does it take an hour, even 45min is taking the piss, you need to go somewhere else or stop making stuff up.
mph1977 said:
RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted' £40m, yeah right!
That would be quite an achievement given most PL policies are around £2m indemnity limit, maybe £5m (£20-£25m for airside, granted) and the most expensive motor vehicle incident so far was about £22m. Not sure a secondhand tyre supplied by the vehicle owner is going to give rise to liability to the tune of £40m to the tyre fitter.
Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 15:30
ezi said:
The only places I've found who won't fit customer supplied tyres is chain-garages such as Kwik Fit, never found a small indie who would refuse. It's a quick £30-40 for them doing not much work...why would they turn it away?!
Likewise.My local chap does it for £10/corner and tightens the nuts properly with a torque wrench (none of that airgun malarkey).
jon- said:
shakotan said:
Jimmyarm said:
daddy cool said:
My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)
£10 is cheap !A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)
At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else
I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.
30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.
Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar
Takes less than 30 second to remove a wheel, less than 10 actually with an impact gun.
Bead breaking probably 20 seconds
Removing a tyre is 2 revolutions of the turntable, so about 20 seconds maximum
Installing a tyre, 1 revolution of the turntable as 'throwing' the new tyre on puts the first bead over the rim. Add another 10 seconds for soaping the beads (matron!)
Probably 30 seconds to inflate enough to pop the beads on, then deflate to correct pressure.
Granted I hadn't taken balancing into account, but that would be no more than 2 minutes on a computerised system.
Re-installation of wheel maybe 30 seconds due to having to start the wheel nuts/bolts by hand.
So 140 seconds of actually labour time (excluding balancing), allowing another minute collectively for transition time between each stage, I think I was pretty close with 3 mins per tyre.
Without interruption, 5 mins changing a tyre including balancing is not an unrealistic prospect at all.
xRIEx said:
mph1977 said:
RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted' £40m, yeah right!
That would be quite an achievement given most PL policies are around £2m indemnity limit, maybe £5m (£20-£25m for airside, granted) and the most expensive motor vehicle incident so far was about £22m. Not sure a secondhand tyre supplied by the vehicle owner is going to give rise to liability to the tune of £40m to the tyre fitter.
Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 15:30
Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp
high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common
This video shows a relatively slow process of changing a tyre taking around 4 minutes excluding removal from car and balancing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdkGFY2dNE
There are quite a few unnecessary steps (bringing in additional rollers and clamps etc), but shows that on a less complicated machine, tyre changing is easily achievable in under 3 mins. Jacking up and removing the wheel take seconds with a good jack and impact driver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdkGFY2dNE
There are quite a few unnecessary steps (bringing in additional rollers and clamps etc), but shows that on a less complicated machine, tyre changing is easily achievable in under 3 mins. Jacking up and removing the wheel take seconds with a good jack and impact driver.
Another video, 3 minutes from bead breaking to tyre installation. Add on 5 minutes MAXIMUM for removal of tyre from car, balancing and re-installation on the vehicle, so 8 mins at a leisurely pace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63HXYa7KBE
20 minutes PER TYRE is an absolute joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63HXYa7KBE
20 minutes PER TYRE is an absolute joke.
mph1977 said:
xRIEx said:
mph1977 said:
RGambo said:
A bit short sighted by the tyre fitter, but I guess it's his perogative.
minimisng the risk of exposure to 40million GBP claim is hardly 'short sighted' £40m, yeah right!
That would be quite an achievement given most PL policies are around £2m indemnity limit, maybe £5m (£20-£25m for airside, granted) and the most expensive motor vehicle incident so far was about £22m. Not sure a secondhand tyre supplied by the vehicle owner is going to give rise to liability to the tune of £40m to the tyre fitter.
Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 15:30
Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp
high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common
Selby Rail Crash was the £22m payout I was talking about, where are you getting £40-50m from?
I'd say I have an above-lay understanding of road risks, having sold and administered insurance policies and deal with insurance claims. A frequency-severity plot might be useful at this point.
Edited by xRIEx on Thursday 30th October 16:17
mph1977 said:
to suggest a 40 million GBP motoring insurance claim is 'rofl' territory demonstrates an utter lack of insight into road risk , the level of payout in high value personal injury claims
Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp
high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common
You've been reading some daft propaganda, probably from some kind of "compliance" outfits' press releases. Great Heck 40 - 50 million gbp
high value PI claims of up to 10 million gbp per individual are increasingly common
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