Tyre fitters will only fit tyres bought from them

[xRIEx]

mph1977 said:

xRIEx said:

Speaking of expert opinion, what is your area of expertise?

As i have previously explained

1. Governance Manager
2. A Healthcare Professional with clinical interests in rehabilitation medicine and emergency care.
3.a graduate with a practice based teaching and assessin qualification.
4. An experienced Silver level officer /manager in event emergency care.

So nothing to do with insurance, then?

[mph1977]

xRIEx said:

mph1977 said:

xRIEx said:

Speaking of expert opinion, what is your area of expertise?

As i have previously explained

1. Governance Manager
2. A Healthcare Professional with clinical interests in rehabilitation medicine and emergency care.
3.a graduate with a practice based teaching and assessing qualification.
4. An experienced Silver level officer /manager in event emergency care.

So nothing to do with insurance, then?

and your point ?

Regardless of what some of the powerfully built are saying the reality is that a figure approaching 10 million gbp per person injured is a realistic figure for very high value personal injury claims

The 40 -50 million figure for Great heck is on the circumstances at it happened , i.e. the GNER was not full and the second train was a freight train , if it had been two full passenger trainins the figures could have been much much larger.

this BBC report in 2003 states 34 million in payouts ( doesn't mention costs )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire...

NR often give an additional on coast of 16 million for the works required across the network

On the Day the incident at Great Heck happened I was on placement in a Large teaching hospital Emergency Department within the Yorkshire region (one of three possible places), this department was put on Major incident standby despite there being about a dozen closer Emergency departments ( this is also long before MTCs - if a repeat happened today it along with the other two University teaching hopsitals which house MTCs would be put on standby ahead of the local 'major' A+Es in between ...

[k-ink]

I don't blame fitters who only fit tyres bought from themselves. They have a business to run. They are not there to aid your internet purchases. I always buy my tyres from the same garage and they wouldn't dream of charging me to fit or swap tyres at will. Look after your local business and they will return the favour.

[xRIEx]

mph1977 said:

xRIEx said:

mph1977 said:

xRIEx said:

Speaking of expert opinion, what is your area of expertise?

As i have previously explained

1. Governance Manager
2. A Healthcare Professional with clinical interests in rehabilitation medicine and emergency care.
3.a graduate with a practice based teaching and assessing qualification.
4. An experienced Silver level officer /manager in event emergency care.

So nothing to do with insurance, then?

and your point ?

Regardless of what some of the powerfully built are saying the reality is that a figure approaching 10 million gbp per person injured is a realistic figure for very high value personal injury claims

The 40 -50 million figure for Great heck is on the circumstances at it happened , i.e. the GNER was not full and the second train was a freight train , if it had been two full passenger trainins the figures could have been much much larger.

this BBC report in 2003 states 34 million in payouts ( doesn't mention costs )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire...

I suppose my point is I've been working in the insurance industry for 15 years and you sound like you're talking st.

£34m payouts?

"It has already paid out more than £22m to the victims and their families and expects the total amount to rise by a further £12m."

As I said above, "expected" is not the same as "paid"; I asked you to show where it says how much was paid. I've already said £22m was paid. Once again, have you got anything (reliably) stating what was paid?

£34m - so that's £6m less than your £40m hyperbole, or 17.6%.

[mph1977]

xRIEx said:

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£34m - so that's £6m less than your £40m hyperbole, or 17.6%.

so everyone in insurance and the law works for free ?

I think you need to provide some stronger evidence to refute the suggestion.

[shakotan]

nickofh said:

shakotan said:

jon- said:

shakotan said:

Jimmyarm said:

daddy cool said:

My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)

£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else

20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.

You're pretty special. As a break down I'd give that:

30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.

Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar

Takes less than 30 seconds to jack a car up using a decent high lift trolley jack, more like 10.
Takes less than 30 second to remove a wheel, less than 10 actually with an impact gun.
Bead breaking probably 20 seconds
Removing a tyre is 2 revolutions of the turntable, so about 20 seconds maximum
Installing a tyre, 1 revolution of the turntable as 'throwing' the new tyre on puts the first bead over the rim. Add another 10 seconds for soaping the beads (matron!)
Probably 30 seconds to inflate enough to pop the beads on, then deflate to correct pressure.
Granted I hadn't taken balancing into account, but that would be no more than 2 minutes on a computerised system.
Re-installation of wheel maybe 30 seconds due to having to start the wheel nuts/bolts by hand.

So 140 seconds of actually labour time (excluding balancing), allowing another minute collectively for transition time between each stage, I think I was pretty close with 3 mins per tyre.

Without interruption, 5 mins changing a tyre including balancing is not an unrealistic prospect at all.

One of my local garages does it for £10 a corner another is £12. I think these seem to be the going rates.

I must say that I would not want to go to a place that changes a tyre from start to finish in three minutes. Sounds like mistakes / accidents waiting to happen. I think 10 min's per wheel is about right for a job done properly / safely.

I would be quite happy to wait upto an hour for four new tyres fitted and balanced.

Changing tyres is not a complicated job, it takes a little bit of time, but there is nothing challenging about it.

[nickofh]

shakotan said:

nickofh said:

shakotan said:

jon- said:

shakotan said:

Jimmyarm said:

daddy cool said:

My local fitter will change and balance for £10 a corner (which is pricey I suppose, but it's not something I can do myself)

£10 is cheap !

A decent tyre machine and balancer is about £5k (cheaper versions are availabe but are generally cack)

At £10 a tyre, assuming 20 minutes from starting the job to finishing it, that is 166 hours of work just to pay for the machine and nothing else

20 minutes to fit a tyre?!

I can do one in 3 minutes including removing the old one, and that's on a knackered 10-year old machine.

You're pretty special. As a break down I'd give that:

30 seconds to jack the car
30 seconds to remove the wheel
10 seconds to break the bead
50 seconds to get the old tyre off
30 seconds to get the new tyre on
15 seconds to inflate
15 seconds to balance, including adding weight
0 seconds to get it back on the car and car down.

Give McLaren or Ferrari a call, you'll be an F1 superstar

Takes less than 30 seconds to jack a car up using a decent high lift trolley jack, more like 10.
Takes less than 30 second to remove a wheel, less than 10 actually with an impact gun.
Bead breaking probably 20 seconds
Removing a tyre is 2 revolutions of the turntable, so about 20 seconds maximum
Installing a tyre, 1 revolution of the turntable as 'throwing' the new tyre on puts the first bead over the rim. Add another 10 seconds for soaping the beads (matron!)
Probably 30 seconds to inflate enough to pop the beads on, then deflate to correct pressure.
Granted I hadn't taken balancing into account, but that would be no more than 2 minutes on a computerised system.
Re-installation of wheel maybe 30 seconds due to having to start the wheel nuts/bolts by hand.

So 140 seconds of actually labour time (excluding balancing), allowing another minute collectively for transition time between each stage, I think I was pretty close with 3 mins per tyre.

Without interruption, 5 mins changing a tyre including balancing is not an unrealistic prospect at all.

One of my local garages does it for £10 a corner another is £12. I think these seem to be the going rates.

I must say that I would not want to go to a place that changes a tyre from start to finish in three minutes. Sounds like mistakes / accidents waiting to happen. I think 10 min's per wheel is about right for a job done properly / safely.

I would be quite happy to wait upto an hour for four new tyres fitted and balanced.

Changing tyres is not a complicated job, it takes a little bit of time, but there is nothing challenging about it.

I agree that it is not a complicated job , however mistakes can still be made such as directional tyres being fitting the wrong way , balancing slightly off etc.

I would just rather it not be rushed in 3 to 5 mins , imo that's when mistakes are most likely.

Edited to add- If the new tyres job can be done in so little time then so could new rotors and pads. Another simple task that imo no one would want rushing into less than 5 to 10 mins.

Edited by nickofh on Friday 31st October 11:58

[LordHaveMurci]

k-ink said:

I don't blame fitters who only fit tyres bought from themselves. They have a business to run. They are not there to aid your internet purchases. I always buy my tyres from the same garage and they wouldn't dream of charging me to fit or swap tyres at will. Look after your local business and they will return the favour.

I have been using the same local tyre place for 15yrs, have referred lots of other people to them in that time.

They do not & cannot supply the trackday tyres I required, I bought them elsewhere & got them to fit & balance them for me, they charged me for this service so everybody was happy.

[shakotan]

Before we got our own tyre machine, I used to go to my local MeriTyre.

They even have 'fit customer's own cover' on their price list, it's £10 a tyre.

[Oz83]

Anyone who baulks at paying £10 per corner to have tyres fitted should sit down and think about how that £40 is then broken down.

Anyway, you think that's bad, I just got charged the equivalent of £210 (I'm in Sweden) for a bloke to come out and service my wood burning stove. It took him half an hour and he even borrowed my hoover. Pants truly pulled down.