Driving ban for towing a wheelchair.
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Spare tyre said:
aka_kerrly said:
Blimey!
Is that really representative of the behavior of those at Le Mans camp sites?
they were young guys, just messing about - dont think anyone was hurt Is that really representative of the behavior of those at Le Mans camp sites?
I'm fine with it, I do enjoy having fun and do think the judge has gone a little bit over the top with his punishment but there may well be other factors involved, perhaps the driver is a serial numpty and has previous offences that prove she is not a good character.
Leins said:
Just to play an advocate of the Devil for a moment, but what if she had inadvertently left something hanging out of the boot of her car, like a coat, handbag strap or, in this case, a towel, and someone in a wheelchair grabbed hold of it while she was driving around looking for a space? He looks to be quite close to the back of the car, which has a high rear window line, so it might not be possible to tell
Should bus and truck drivers be banned when a skateboarder grabs hold of something while they're about to drive off
Yes, she was unaware that a bloke in a wheel chair had grabbed something hanging out of the back of her car. Only; did you read this bit...Should bus and truck drivers be banned when a skateboarder grabs hold of something while they're about to drive off
"After several minutes, he climbed out of the chair as astonished shoppers looked on.
He then got into the car and Adams, a call centre worker, from Whitburn, South Tyneside, drove off."
Spare tyre said:
As someone said...This sort of thing is indicative of someone who is generally a menace. A waste of blood and organs. It's not so much that they chose to do it, it's that they chose to do it in a Le Mans carpark full of both people and CCTV cameras. It shows a level of decision making right up there with the very worst imaginable. If you're going to do it (and it looks like fun, although I'd want a longer rope), do it where you're not going to hurt anyone and, more importantly, you're not going to get caught.
It does make you think, I mean I know we did all sorts when I was 17-19.
The closest we ever got to any Police involvement was actually on the carpark of the factory belonging to a friend of a friends parents. Loads of snow and we went down there 4 of us with cars and were having a laugh with power slides and handbrake turns etc. Some security guard from another factory had spotted us and in fairness done what he should have and reported it.
Plod turns up, my friend Nigel explains that not only is this his father's property, we had permission to be there and the key to open and close the gate! Plod was perfectly nice about it and said on you go try not to do any harm to anything.
Makes you wonder if that would have been subject to the same kind of thing today, had it been caught on say the next door factories CCTV!
The closest we ever got to any Police involvement was actually on the carpark of the factory belonging to a friend of a friends parents. Loads of snow and we went down there 4 of us with cars and were having a laugh with power slides and handbrake turns etc. Some security guard from another factory had spotted us and in fairness done what he should have and reported it.
Plod turns up, my friend Nigel explains that not only is this his father's property, we had permission to be there and the key to open and close the gate! Plod was perfectly nice about it and said on you go try not to do any harm to anything.
Makes you wonder if that would have been subject to the same kind of thing today, had it been caught on say the next door factories CCTV!
Never knew you could get done for this sort of stuff in a private car park! If so then there is a lot of people round my way that need to watch out!
I have in my youth been towed by all kinds of machines on all kind of things I reckon if I did it all again now I would easy get 10 years!!
I have in my youth been towed by all kinds of machines on all kind of things I reckon if I did it all again now I would easy get 10 years!!
ferrariF50lover said:
Except she hasn't though, has she. You can't just say stuff and make it so.
This sort of thing is indicative of someone who is generally a menace. A waste of blood and organs. It's not so much that she chose to do it, it's that she chose to do it in a supermarket carpark full of both people and CCTV cameras. It shows a level of decision making right up there with the very worst imaginable. If you're going to do it (and it looks like fun, although I'd want a longer rope), do it where you're not going to hurt anyone and, more importantly, you're not going to get caught.
With inability to realise something so startlingly obvious, how much use can she be at work? Clearly, she can't, which means she's either dole scum, or she's a pain in the arse for those forced to work with her and those who rely upon her to do a good job.
Simon.
Yet she speaks so highly of you.This sort of thing is indicative of someone who is generally a menace. A waste of blood and organs. It's not so much that she chose to do it, it's that she chose to do it in a supermarket carpark full of both people and CCTV cameras. It shows a level of decision making right up there with the very worst imaginable. If you're going to do it (and it looks like fun, although I'd want a longer rope), do it where you're not going to hurt anyone and, more importantly, you're not going to get caught.
With inability to realise something so startlingly obvious, how much use can she be at work? Clearly, she can't, which means she's either dole scum, or she's a pain in the arse for those forced to work with her and those who rely upon her to do a good job.
Simon.
The alternative view is that it was a bit of harmless messing around in an empty carpark at midnight, where no one was hurt and a couple of people probably had a bit of a giggle before going home.
Good grief, we all used to take advantage of snow covered car parks and perform endless handbrake turns and powerslides when I was a lad - seems like we'd lose our licences doing that these days. A sense of perspective is badly needed here.
Based on your opinion, you would have sacked the majority of the world's motorsport stars before their careers even started. The majority of them have done some pretty stupid things over the years.
Hmmmm, definitely a harsh sentence IMO.
When I was younger and the snow arrive, we may (or may not of) towed each other around on sledges reaching some pretty silly speeds. It also wasn't uncommon to get a tow on your push bike from a mate putting down his window and you'd grab the B pillar.....
All a bit of harmless fun if done in a closed off environment where the public aren't put in danger... and I'd happily do both again.... well perhaps not anymore.
When I was younger and the snow arrive, we may (or may not of) towed each other around on sledges reaching some pretty silly speeds. It also wasn't uncommon to get a tow on your push bike from a mate putting down his window and you'd grab the B pillar.....
All a bit of harmless fun if done in a closed off environment where the public aren't put in danger... and I'd happily do both again.... well perhaps not anymore.
Edited by scz4 on Friday 31st October 18:37
Seems harsh to me.
I remember as a kid going with my dad to the office one Saturday morning and it started snowing pretty heavily and him doing several donuts with me in the back of his v12 xj-s in the car park. No one else around and he was the boss so I guess it was alright! I think he wouldn't have done it if any staff were around though.
The Le Mans clip reminds me of antics at the motoGP at Donnington in 95. All good fun and when people started to get a bit silly peer pressure and a few people saying to cool it seemed to stop any really daft behaviour
I remember as a kid going with my dad to the office one Saturday morning and it started snowing pretty heavily and him doing several donuts with me in the back of his v12 xj-s in the car park. No one else around and he was the boss so I guess it was alright! I think he wouldn't have done it if any staff were around though.
The Le Mans clip reminds me of antics at the motoGP at Donnington in 95. All good fun and when people started to get a bit silly peer pressure and a few people saying to cool it seemed to stop any really daft behaviour
V8RX7 said:
Seems very harsh to me.
When I was that age I might have done similar and as car parks WEREN'T considered the road at the time I'd have expected a b
king by the security guard.
These days I'd have expected a visit from the BIB and 3 points at worst - a ban is ridiculous.
I think there's quite a big difference between arsing about in an empty car park in the middle of the night and doing so while the shop is actually open the car park is full of customers and their cars, children, etc.When I was that age I might have done similar and as car parks WEREN'T considered the road at the time I'd have expected a b
king by the security guard.These days I'd have expected a visit from the BIB and 3 points at worst - a ban is ridiculous.
Having said that, a two year ban is still OTT.
Spare tyre said:
That looks like a quality day out.ferrariF50lover said:
Except she hasn't though, has she. You can't just say stuff and make it so.
This sort of thing is indicative of someone who is generally a menace. A waste of blood and organs. It's not so much that she chose to do it, it's that she chose to do it in a supermarket carpark full of both people and CCTV cameras. It shows a level of decision making right up there with the very worst imaginable. If you're going to do it (and it looks like fun, although I'd want a longer rope), do it where you're not going to hurt anyone and, more importantly, you're not going to get caught.
With inability to realise something so startlingly obvious, how much use can she be at work? Clearly, she can't, which means she's either dole scum, or she's a pain in the arse for those forced to work with her and those who rely upon her to do a good job.
Simon.
Good point well madeThis sort of thing is indicative of someone who is generally a menace. A waste of blood and organs. It's not so much that she chose to do it, it's that she chose to do it in a supermarket carpark full of both people and CCTV cameras. It shows a level of decision making right up there with the very worst imaginable. If you're going to do it (and it looks like fun, although I'd want a longer rope), do it where you're not going to hurt anyone and, more importantly, you're not going to get caught.
With inability to realise something so startlingly obvious, how much use can she be at work? Clearly, she can't, which means she's either dole scum, or she's a pain in the arse for those forced to work with her and those who rely upon her to do a good job.
Simon.
2 year ban is utterly daft for a victimless offence which took place away from public roads (if you think Tesco's CarPark is a public road, the Police, your Insurers and Tesco themselves would like to disagree with you)
In fact, I'd ask if the law even extends to cover that location - I've had insurers tell me that the rules of the road don't apply in supermarket car parks and every one has signs reminding you they're private property - worst case, you get removed for trespassing (how they deal with chavs hanging around in cars or not)
In theory she could have done this without a driving licence and not been breaking the law at all?
She appears to have admitted 'dangerous driving' tho - that's massively stupid. The entire crux of a 'dangerous driving' offence is proving that the person committing it "knew their actions to be dangerous". Unless you admit that, it's almost impossible to prove - if she'd said "fk off, we were having a laugh" she'd have gotten, at worst, a telling-off.
I know people who've towed allsorts of st with their cars - hell, Top Gear towed a sofa last year, I supposed it's their fault?
I'm all for more enforcement of road laws but this is just silly.
Mind you - mackems...
In fact, I'd ask if the law even extends to cover that location - I've had insurers tell me that the rules of the road don't apply in supermarket car parks and every one has signs reminding you they're private property - worst case, you get removed for trespassing (how they deal with chavs hanging around in cars or not)
In theory she could have done this without a driving licence and not been breaking the law at all?
She appears to have admitted 'dangerous driving' tho - that's massively stupid. The entire crux of a 'dangerous driving' offence is proving that the person committing it "knew their actions to be dangerous". Unless you admit that, it's almost impossible to prove - if she'd said "f
k off, we were having a laugh" she'd have gotten, at worst, a telling-off.I know people who've towed allsorts of s
t with their cars - hell, Top Gear towed a sofa last year, I supposed it's their fault?I'm all for more enforcement of road laws but this is just silly.
Mind you - mackems...
Edited by 405dogvan on Friday 31st October 22:44
Edited by 405dogvan on Friday 31st October 22:57
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