Driving ban for towing a wheelchair.
Discussion
Leins said:
StottyEvo said:
I wonder what the take is on my current situation.
Months ago the GF at the time wanted to drive my car, one night I conceded and we headed to the most suitable place I could think of. We went to a huge Tesco car park at 11.30pm on a Tuesday. As you can imagine, it was empty.
I showed her how I wanted to driver (down one isle, u turn and up the next)then we switched seats. For about 1min 30secs she drove up and down, no car came in the car park or came near us the entire time.
To my horror a Police car entered the car park and pulled up near the door. I instructed her to pull into a bay and we switched seats. I drove away and the Police car followed and pulled me.
It transpired that they'd noticed the car from the main road. I explained what we were doing, given the circumstances I thought I'd pass the attitude test and they'd say fair enough, have a nice night.
The Police agreed that the driving was at a sensible speed but told me that they had to report it nevertheless.
She rung me in floods of tears yesterday, apparently she's being prosecuted for driving without insurance, I'll be prosecuted for Aiding & Abetting driving without insurance. Its a minimum of 6 points for each offense and as shes within her 2years her license will be revoked.
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
Utterly ridiculous outcome lacking in any common sense IMO. A "one size fits all" sort of policy that is fast becoming the ruination of societyMonths ago the GF at the time wanted to drive my car, one night I conceded and we headed to the most suitable place I could think of. We went to a huge Tesco car park at 11.30pm on a Tuesday. As you can imagine, it was empty.
I showed her how I wanted to driver (down one isle, u turn and up the next)then we switched seats. For about 1min 30secs she drove up and down, no car came in the car park or came near us the entire time.
To my horror a Police car entered the car park and pulled up near the door. I instructed her to pull into a bay and we switched seats. I drove away and the Police car followed and pulled me.
It transpired that they'd noticed the car from the main road. I explained what we were doing, given the circumstances I thought I'd pass the attitude test and they'd say fair enough, have a nice night.
The Police agreed that the driving was at a sensible speed but told me that they had to report it nevertheless.
She rung me in floods of tears yesterday, apparently she's being prosecuted for driving without insurance, I'll be prosecuted for Aiding & Abetting driving without insurance. Its a minimum of 6 points for each offense and as shes within her 2years her license will be revoked.
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
Spare tyre said:
they were young guys, just messing about - dont think anyone was hurt 
Le Mans has the biggest collection of pricks in any motorsport event I've been to. It starts out as relatively harmless fun and quickly degenerates into extreme stupidity and some pretty nasty antics (super soakers full of piss etc.). It's a shame as it's otherwise an awesome event.heebeegeetee said:
Wasn't she zooming up and down a busy car park, where families with children would be trying to cross? Then driven off leaving the wheelchair in the middle of the 'road'?
Hopefully a portion of her sentence was for being an utter, utter chav. I think the sentence is totally appropriate but I just wish we saw more of it. At least this is one sentence that won't be boasted about on Facebook.
Isn't it great to see though, how even the most vacuous of bints can finance suvs to fill our streets with.
Waiting for the whoosh but a Juke is a Focus rival, probably less than £200 quid a month on the never never.Hopefully a portion of her sentence was for being an utter, utter chav. I think the sentence is totally appropriate but I just wish we saw more of it. At least this is one sentence that won't be boasted about on Facebook.
Isn't it great to see though, how even the most vacuous of bints can finance suvs to fill our streets with.
StottyEvo said:
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
What you did was illegal, but OTOH you weren't putting anyone at risk. There are so many people that routinely drive without insurance, license etc. on the road that it does seem a little harsh; a warning would have been adequate IMO.Daily Mail has a picture. Sentance seems harsh, esp with ban + community order + big fine, but either way a properly stupid thing to do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815512/Dr...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815512/Dr...
McWigglebum4th said:
StuntmanMike said:
Agreed.
Not going into details, but 25 years ago I fell foul of the law, the offence I committed was in a field, but because the public had access to it, I was prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
If the public have access, the you okay the law of the land, no matter what arse covering s
t your insurance comes out with.
By the way, who died? unless the story is lacking something, it would be funny, if it weren't so severe.
Define public accessNot going into details, but 25 years ago I fell foul of the law, the offence I committed was in a field, but because the public had access to it, I was prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
If the public have access, the you okay the law of the land, no matter what arse covering s
t your insurance comes out with.By the way, who died? unless the story is lacking something, it would be funny, if it weren't so severe.
I have an open gateway into my house
Should i be reported for driving without insurance as i move an old car around which isn't insured
or like most people are the visitors to your house either people you've invited ( i.e. your friends colleagues, family etc) or those generally held to have implied right of access ( postpersons, other delivery staff etc) ?
it basically comes down to , if you were behaving 'normally' would you be a trespasser ?
Andehh said:
Daily Mail has a picture. Sentance seems harsh, esp with ban + community order + big fine, but either way a properly stupid thing to do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815512/Dr...
"as she hurtles up and down the car park"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815512/Dr...
They really do love sensationalist journalism
g3org3y said:
Easy conviction (and better stats) > common sense.
It's statistically meaningless as it isn't a recorded crime. McWigglebum4th said:
Define public access
I have an open gateway into my house
Should i be reported for driving without insurance as i move an old car around which isn't insured
Your dwelling isn't a public place. I have an open gateway into my house
Should i be reported for driving without insurance as i move an old car around which isn't insured
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_of...
It's a massively disproportionate sentence, regardless of how thick/vacuous/chav the driver is.
You've only got to watch one of those police fly on the wall things where they catch some rat boy in a stolen car driving like a complete idiot, obviously devoid of insurance etc, to see that far worse driving offences often result in far lighter sentences than this.
You've only got to watch one of those police fly on the wall things where they catch some rat boy in a stolen car driving like a complete idiot, obviously devoid of insurance etc, to see that far worse driving offences often result in far lighter sentences than this.
PorkInsider said:
It's a massively disproportionate sentence, regardless of how thick/vacuous/chav the driver is.
You've only got to watch one of those police fly on the wall things where they catch some rat boy in a stolen car driving like a complete idiot, obviously devoid of insurance etc, to see that far worse driving offences often result in far lighter sentences than this.
Indeed. There was on recently where some chav driving pissed, in a stolen and uninsured car tried and failed to outrun several police cars. Penalty was way less than this case.You've only got to watch one of those police fly on the wall things where they catch some rat boy in a stolen car driving like a complete idiot, obviously devoid of insurance etc, to see that far worse driving offences often result in far lighter sentences than this.
Sends an interesting message.
McWigglebum4th said:
StuntmanMike said:
Agreed.
Not going into details, but 25 years ago I fell foul of the law, the offence I committed was in a field, but because the public had access to it, I was prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
If the public have access, the you okay the law of the land, no matter what arse covering st your insurance comes out with.
By the way, who died? unless the story is lacking something, it would be funny, if it weren't so severe.
Define public accessNot going into details, but 25 years ago I fell foul of the law, the offence I committed was in a field, but because the public had access to it, I was prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
If the public have access, the you okay the law of the land, no matter what arse covering s
t your insurance comes out with.By the way, who died? unless the story is lacking something, it would be funny, if it weren't so severe.
I have an open gateway into my house
Should i be reported for driving without insurance as i move an old car around which isn't insured
Where I came unstuck, there was a rough track through the field, this was a back route to a small touring caravan sight.
If it had been a standard field I would have been ok.
Sorry I should have made that clear.
Hoofy said:
So is a supermarket car park a public highway then?
it is certainly a public place ( where the public can pass and repass freely, without restriction , entry fees and so on ) and one where road traffic legislation applies. Private property is only truely private i nthe eyes of the law if it is enclosed.
mph1977 said:
Hoofy said:
So is a supermarket car park a public highway then?
it is certainly a public place ( where the public can pass and repass freely, without restriction , entry fees and so on ) and one where road traffic legislation applies. Private property is only truely private i nthe eyes of the law if it is enclosed.
ambuletz said:
seems rather extreme considering it was in a car park. Afew years back I had my friend holding onto the B-pillar of my car while he road his bicycle. We had no means to dismantle his bike and fit it in my car.
In the 90's I used to do speed training on Public roads cycling about 2 feet behind a car my mate drove up to 50mph. If I got tired I would hang on to the B-pillar for a bit. No less dangerous than the prank cited in this case and I was one of many doing that as part of our training regime for Road and Track racing. Dangerous was slipstreaming large trucks on the motorway. Easy to catch as they accelerated onto the Highway and get 'dragged' along only a foot or two behind. Stupid in hindsight but we were thrill seekers back then.
Hoofy said:
So is a supermarket car park a public highway then?
Yes the law was changed around 15yrs ago IIRC there is a size requirement ie the road has to have centre lines or something
I was asked this by the Police after I was hit in a car park and the guy drove off and they were trying to decide whether they should get involved.
StottyEvo said:
I wonder what the take is on my current situation.
Months ago the GF at the time wanted to drive my car, one night I conceded and we headed to the most suitable place I could think of. We went to a huge Tesco car park at 11.30pm on a Tuesday. As you can imagine, it was empty.
I showed her how I wanted to driver (down one isle, u turn and up the next)then we switched seats. For about 1min 30secs she drove up and down, no car came in the car park or came near us the entire time.
To my horror a Police car entered the car park and pulled up near the door. I instructed her to pull into a bay and we switched seats. I drove away and the Police car followed and pulled me.
It transpired that they'd noticed the car from the main road. I explained what we were doing, given the circumstances I thought I'd pass the attitude test and they'd say fair enough, have a nice night.
The Police agreed that the driving was at a sensible speed but told me that they had to report it nevertheless.
She rung me in floods of tears yesterday, apparently she's being prosecuted for driving without insurance, I'll be prosecuted for Aiding & Abetting driving without insurance. Its a minimum of 6 points for each offense and as shes within her 2years her license will be revoked.
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
To reinforce my story, an exert from the Police statementMonths ago the GF at the time wanted to drive my car, one night I conceded and we headed to the most suitable place I could think of. We went to a huge Tesco car park at 11.30pm on a Tuesday. As you can imagine, it was empty.
I showed her how I wanted to driver (down one isle, u turn and up the next)then we switched seats. For about 1min 30secs she drove up and down, no car came in the car park or came near us the entire time.
To my horror a Police car entered the car park and pulled up near the door. I instructed her to pull into a bay and we switched seats. I drove away and the Police car followed and pulled me.
It transpired that they'd noticed the car from the main road. I explained what we were doing, given the circumstances I thought I'd pass the attitude test and they'd say fair enough, have a nice night.
The Police agreed that the driving was at a sensible speed but told me that they had to report it nevertheless.
She rung me in floods of tears yesterday, apparently she's being prosecuted for driving without insurance, I'll be prosecuted for Aiding & Abetting driving without insurance. Its a minimum of 6 points for each offense and as shes within her 2years her license will be revoked.
A little harsh or just deserts? I'm taking it on the chin either way
She had a provisional license at the time of the offense, so I'm also being charged for letting her drive without the correct license. As I'm over 21 with 3years driving experience I'm not sure if this is correct? It also mentions not displaying L plates so I'm being done for that too
As well as the Aiding&Abetting driving without insurance.I feel like a right criminal! Suppose I am really
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