Road Rage - Small bump leading to assault.
Discussion
VF7 said:
Some stuff.
OK then let me clarify that for you -1. Pass other traffic at a politely low speed differential. - When you are doing this, you are passing people that are waiting because they are not inconsiderate.
2. Don't merge at the absolute last possible point - get in a bit before that. - This is called queuing.
3. Don't be at all pushy about who lets you in. If someone is being pushy, and you don't push back, the guy behind him will probably let you. If you do push back, you are just confirming everyone's suspicion that you're an arse. - If the person won't let you in 9 times out of 10 it's probably an indication that you have left it too late and that person thinks sod you.
4. Try not to drive an Audi, BMW, or anything else that makes people feel like you probably look down on them. - This is a valid point.
Punching someone in the face is completely out of order, I can't believe I have to post that.
How many families have lost loved ones because a simple altercation went too far, someone hits their head etc.
Where do you stand on being looked at funny? Is that a beating too?
We're not all Ross Kemp you 'kin 'tards.
How many families have lost loved ones because a simple altercation went too far, someone hits their head etc.
Where do you stand on being looked at funny? Is that a beating too?
We're not all Ross Kemp you 'kin 'tards.
romeogolf said:
"Manners Cost Nothing" - I'm very much a let one person go, then go yourself. The BMW let the car ahead of me in and moved forward. I moved in to the gap he left and it was the Nissan driver who decided not to let me know. But it's my manners which need attention? Had she been nose-to-tail with the BMW there wouldn't have been a gap and I'd not have tried to merge there, I'd wait for the next gap. Manners work both ways.
You're confusing manners with self righteous privilege.If you were queuing somewhere (McDonalds/Cashpoint) and were 2nd in a long queue, but left a person sized space between yourself and the person in front, would you still think it was okay if someone jumped in front of you?
There's not even rules for that kind of queue, either.
What you think is acceptable isn't necessarily right. If you waited patiently & politely, there's a good chance the Nissan would have let you in and you'd still be a few £££ and a trip to specsavers better off.
The experience is a waste of time & money unless you're willing to accept that you can learn from it.
Biker's Nemesis said:
The BMW driver let the car infront of him merg, it was the OP hitting his car that upset the BMW driver.
We only have the OP version of events here to, as we all know there's always 2 sides to everything.
True, but a small ding shouldn't warrant a punch, hence why I said he should press charges. No one should get away with assault, no matter the circumstances.We only have the OP version of events here to, as we all know there's always 2 sides to everything.
Silverbullet767 said:
British Police? Really? So the ones enforcing the law don't abide by it? I'm pretty sure if a marked police car tried to merge correctly, the Nevara driver wouldn't have reacted the same way. The problem is not the OP, it was the BMW driver and the Navara driver. The majority view doesn't make it the right one. I'll say again, we need 'merge like a zip' signs to educate the public in something they should already know.
Actually if you looked at my previous link , you would see that it was a police officer trying to enfore the 'no pushing in'.TT Tim said:
OP you are the type of road user that boils everyone's Piss!
If people filter in one at a time with plenty of room then no one gets upset. But to leave it to the last moment and barge in, I would have smacked you too!
Show some consideration and as I say to my 9yr old, there are always consequences to your actions, so next time think about what you're doing and how it effects other people.
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You'd assault someone over a small patch of road that you or they would transiently occupy?If people filter in one at a time with plenty of room then no one gets upset. But to leave it to the last moment and barge in, I would have smacked you too!
Show some consideration and as I say to my 9yr old, there are always consequences to your actions, so next time think about what you're doing and how it effects other people.
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You're a
then.If someone hit my car I have to say I'd think twice about hitting them but wouldn't actually do it because I've got a sense of perspective. Next thing you know the bloke you've hit comes back with his knife. The only way to 'win' here is not get involved in petty s
t like this.That said I'd be pressing charges if I was the OP and f
k the insurance hit.julian64 said:
Silverbullet767 said:
British Police? Really? So the ones enforcing the law don't abide by it? I'm pretty sure if a marked police car tried to merge correctly, the Nevara driver wouldn't have reacted the same way. The problem is not the OP, it was the BMW driver and the Navara driver. The majority view doesn't make it the right one. I'll say again, we need 'merge like a zip' signs to educate the public in something they should already know.
Actually if you looked at my previous link , you would see that it was a police officer trying to enfore the 'no pushing in'.The red mist seems to have descended...there's a world of difference between OPs questionable driving judgement, which lead to a small bump and somebody deciding to punch somebody in the face over said small bump.
If there was a witness, then the BMW driver should have been charged, in no way should that behaviour ever be allowed to go unpunished.
If there was a witness, then the BMW driver should have been charged, in no way should that behaviour ever be allowed to go unpunished.
cj2013 said:
You're confusing manners with self righteous privilege.
If you were queuing somewhere (McDonalds/Cashpoint) and were 2nd in a long queue, but left a person sized space between yourself and the person in front, would you still think it was okay if someone jumped in front of you?
There's not even rules for that kind of queue, either.
What you think is acceptable isn't necessarily right. If you waited patiently & politely, there's a good chance the Nissan would have let you in and you'd still be a few £££ and a trip to specsavers better off.
The experience is a waste of time & money unless you're willing to accept that you can learn from it.
A cashpoint or a shop would have a single queue for a single service-point. In traffic, when two lanes form a single lane, it stands to reason that people from the lane ending will need to join the lane which continues. As far as I could see, because the BMW had moved and the Nissan had not, it appeared she was going to let me in. She then not only decided not to, but was forceful enough about it to hit my car. With no witnesses the best insurance would be able to do is knock-for-knock so it's not worth my insurance hit.If you were queuing somewhere (McDonalds/Cashpoint) and were 2nd in a long queue, but left a person sized space between yourself and the person in front, would you still think it was okay if someone jumped in front of you?
There's not even rules for that kind of queue, either.
What you think is acceptable isn't necessarily right. If you waited patiently & politely, there's a good chance the Nissan would have let you in and you'd still be a few £££ and a trip to specsavers better off.
The experience is a waste of time & money unless you're willing to accept that you can learn from it.
I'm frequently also in the "queuing" lane when two lanes merge and it makes no odds to me if I let someone in front. Why make them wait at the merge point for the sake of being one car up? It makes no sense.
Also worth noting that I didn't "push" in. I saw a gap and merged into it. Everyone seems to have the impression I was playing chicken with the Nissan and trying to push in to a non-existent gap. That would be a t
ttish thing to do and not how I drive.First off, I wasn't there so don't know what happened and as said above, there are always two sides to every story. As such, i'm not going to comment on how the accident happened.
You shouldn't have been punched in the face though and did the right thing calling the cops.
However, once all this blows over, I suspect Mr BMW driver and Ms Navaro driver will both put in PI claims against your insurance - they have 3 years to do so don't forget.
Have you told your insurers about this incident? I suggest you do if you haven't.
You shouldn't have been punched in the face though and did the right thing calling the cops.
However, once all this blows over, I suspect Mr BMW driver and Ms Navaro driver will both put in PI claims against your insurance - they have 3 years to do so don't forget.
Have you told your insurers about this incident? I suggest you do if you haven't.
cj2013 said:
You're confusing manners with self righteous privilege.
If you were queuing somewhere (McDonalds/Cashpoint) and were 2nd in a long queue, but left a person sized space between yourself and the person in front, would you still think it was okay if someone jumped in front of you?
No, but you're not comparing apples to apples here.If you were queuing somewhere (McDonalds/Cashpoint) and were 2nd in a long queue, but left a person sized space between yourself and the person in front, would you still think it was okay if someone jumped in front of you?
cj2013 said:
There's not even rules for that kind of queue, either.
But there is for the road, the highway code is quite clear.cj2013 said:
What you think is acceptable isn't necessarily right. If you waited patiently & politely, there's a good chance the Nissan would have let you in and you'd still be a few £££ and a trip to specsavers better off.
According the the OP, he did and it was the Navara's decision to cause an accident. But we only have one side of the story.Edited by Silverbullet767 on Tuesday 11th November 09:27
I think most responses have missed the important detail; most of you seem to be concentrating on his driving whereas the punch to his face and smashing of glasses has been brushed aside as secondary.
Whatever he did whilst driving doesn’t warrant violence to him, the police failed in their duty in this case, they too, sadly, missed the point and failed on many levels. They turned up late, dismissed the assault and simply gave driving advice.
You were the bigger man by getting back into your car; I don’t think I could have found that level of restraint unfortunately the driver who hit you will hit someone else and next time it could be a lot worse.
Whatever he did whilst driving doesn’t warrant violence to him, the police failed in their duty in this case, they too, sadly, missed the point and failed on many levels. They turned up late, dismissed the assault and simply gave driving advice.
You were the bigger man by getting back into your car; I don’t think I could have found that level of restraint unfortunately the driver who hit you will hit someone else and next time it could be a lot worse.
thelawnet said:
romeogolf said:
The merge point is where it is for a reason.
It's more of a last chance saloon to be truthful.hole behaviour, keep to a (say) 20mph differential and then anyone who complains is a fking mouth breathing Jeremy Kyle victim moron .)Nezquick said:
However, once all this blows over, I suspect Mr BMW driver and Ms Navaro driver will both put in PI claims against your insurance - they have 3 years to do so don't forget.
Have you told your insurers about this incident? I suggest you do if you haven't.
If I tell my insurers does this not affect my history with regards to having to declare accidents etc?Have you told your insurers about this incident? I suggest you do if you haven't.
A related post I made on another thread about Self-Appointed Road Police AKA lane blockers some months ago...
OpulentBob said:
YOU'VE PAID FOR BOTH LANES. USE THEM.
I design roads and traffic management arrangements (roadworks layouts) for a living, I've done it for 15 years.
The merge is where it is because that is the most appropriate location to merge. You may not understand the reasons for it, but there WILL be reasons it is where it is. White Knights/SARPs are absolutely not welcome, not helpful, and in many cases actually increase the risk by holding up traffic and forcing merges/queues away from the designated, agreed point. Agreed with various highway authorities, AND THE POLICE. The real police, not the self-appointed lot.
If a left-hander gets offended, or thinks the right-handers are getting an unfair advantage, then that's their problem. They are wrong. They choose to queue in the left lane when the right hand lane is clear, then they are idiots and their opinion doesn't count.
I design roads and traffic management arrangements (roadworks layouts) for a living, I've done it for 15 years.
The merge is where it is because that is the most appropriate location to merge. You may not understand the reasons for it, but there WILL be reasons it is where it is. White Knights/SARPs are absolutely not welcome, not helpful, and in many cases actually increase the risk by holding up traffic and forcing merges/queues away from the designated, agreed point. Agreed with various highway authorities, AND THE POLICE. The real police, not the self-appointed lot.
If a left-hander gets offended, or thinks the right-handers are getting an unfair advantage, then that's their problem. They are wrong. They choose to queue in the left lane when the right hand lane is clear, then they are idiots and their opinion doesn't count.
OpulentBob said:
No it's not, don't be a wally. It's 100% put there for a reason. To maximise queuing space, to ensure merges are taking place away from event sections, to ensure maximum visibility, among many other reasons. Merge at the merge point, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with it. (Caveat: Overtaking the stationary traffic at a massive speed differential is ahole behaviour, keep to a (say) 20mph differential and then anyone who complains is a fking mouth breathing Jeremy Kyle victim moron .)
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