RE: Nissan GT-R ... design classic? PH Blog
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NomduJour said:
J4CKO said:
GTR with all its electronics
Doesn't have more electronics involved in the driving experience than any other 4WD car, and less than many (e.g. no torque vectoring etc.).Point was, if its fun, who cares how it does it ?
In fact, its been around since 2008, that is almost retro in the electronics arena.
Cant wait to see what they do next with the GTR.
Agoogy said:
It may be lifted by colour and material, but like a car that needs a colour and specific wheels to look good, if it needs those things to look half decent then the underlying design is pants...
I would argue that even the prettiest car can be utterly ruined by the wrong wheels or colour - that there has never been a car so perfectly designed as to be immune to such details. Tell me I'm wrong, as PH would say...I can't help but look back every time I park the GTR, I think it looks great, purposeful and I appreciate the difference from a Europexotic.
How can you not love the lines!
I also think there's nothing wrong with the interior compared to similar proposition models - no worse than the porkers we have of the same age and the satnav is miles better LOL.
How can you not love the lines!
I also think there's nothing wrong with the interior compared to similar proposition models - no worse than the porkers we have of the same age and the satnav is miles better LOL.
I think as well there is a certain amount of conditioning, it is like petrolhead 101 that we all must fawn over the Lamborghini Muira, E Type and various obscure Alfa's as if they were beyond reproach, ok, an E type is pretty, but its too long and thin, the wheels are sat so far back in the arches it looks like they are shy, or its based on Commer van.
But, you aren't allowed to have an opinion on them really, it is a bit like religion, just because its old, best not to say anything in case you get stoned to death.
But, you aren't allowed to have an opinion on them really, it is a bit like religion, just because its old, best not to say anything in case you get stoned to death.
t. Much like almost every other Japanese car.Design classic?? Trolololol.
Not ever in a million years. The only design cues that are pleasing are the quad round rear lights, in a nod to previous GT-Rs.
What it will be remembered for is, blistering performance for little money (at the beginning) its technological tour De force as is always the way with a GT-R. It is a great car but its not a design classic. Oh and I agree the interior is bloody awful and I formed that opinion on day one from its announcement. I've even sat in a couple and I still hold that opinion. It may be built well and last a million years but there isn't any shed of emotion from the designers or engineer in sight. Then again this has never been the way. Oh and I speak as the owner of a ten year old Audi, so feel free to think my opinion is less valid. Oh and no compromises or room for designing a interior an interior with flair? Give me a break were it designed to be no compromises it would have no interior at all let alone leather seats, subwoofer etc
Either way its still a good car and they have presence on the road.
Not ever in a million years. The only design cues that are pleasing are the quad round rear lights, in a nod to previous GT-Rs.
What it will be remembered for is, blistering performance for little money (at the beginning) its technological tour De force as is always the way with a GT-R. It is a great car but its not a design classic. Oh and I agree the interior is bloody awful and I formed that opinion on day one from its announcement. I've even sat in a couple and I still hold that opinion. It may be built well and last a million years but there isn't any shed of emotion from the designers or engineer in sight. Then again this has never been the way. Oh and I speak as the owner of a ten year old Audi, so feel free to think my opinion is less valid. Oh and no compromises or room for designing a interior an interior with flair? Give me a break were it designed to be no compromises it would have no interior at all let alone leather seats, subwoofer etc
Either way its still a good car and they have presence on the road.
Has ANY GT-R ever been 'beautiful' in the classical sense? Not even Porsches and Ferraris are beautiful anymore.
Gone are the days when people beat sheet panels and sculpted bodywork.
These days cars are shaped in wind tunnels and the GT-R is no different.
They have always been brutal cars with mental performance.
I love them.
Gone are the days when people beat sheet panels and sculpted bodywork.
These days cars are shaped in wind tunnels and the GT-R is no different.
They have always been brutal cars with mental performance.
I love them.
Neil_M said:
I personally don't think its a design classic.
I feel it doesn't bring enough to the table to be a classic from its design point of view. A technology point of view is a different matter. I find the design very subtle, too subtle and lacking in aspects that moves the game on.
The 911 IMO brings an iconic design shape to the table. A shape that has persisted for many years, it's a testament to the original design, that (admittedly) with many tweaks it still looks good.
I pulled my bin out last summer and found a toad. I immediately thought - Porsche.I feel it doesn't bring enough to the table to be a classic from its design point of view. A technology point of view is a different matter. I find the design very subtle, too subtle and lacking in aspects that moves the game on.
The 911 IMO brings an iconic design shape to the table. A shape that has persisted for many years, it's a testament to the original design, that (admittedly) with many tweaks it still looks good.
Its no oil painting, but thats kind of the point. Function over form, definately.
So it goes like a scalded cat, we all know this, and most of us, who arent stuck up, will admit it.
But even so, there is a traceable history. Its not just an island with nothing in its ancestry, but even if it was 50 years old and barely changed (ahem, 911?), it STILL is a masterpiece, in a rich tapestry that includes many marques that have been prominent for longer.
So it goes like a scalded cat, we all know this, and most of us, who arent stuck up, will admit it.
But even so, there is a traceable history. Its not just an island with nothing in its ancestry, but even if it was 50 years old and barely changed (ahem, 911?), it STILL is a masterpiece, in a rich tapestry that includes many marques that have been prominent for longer.
TommoAE86 said:
It's the rear lights that get me, I love every iteration of the Skyline (inc the GT-R) because of that feature. I like how they've only been massaged in terms of upgrading but are still true to their roots. I am of the Playstation generation, having not seen a Skyline until I played Gran Turismo on the PSX. In fact I like them so much I've just bought a R33, it's just a shame I don't get to see them when driving 
I agree and the best angle of any GTR is arguably from the rear quarter with all of the rear lights in view. Congratulations on buying an R33.g3org3y said:
Mk 1 Audi TT is a design classic.
Nissan GTR is not.
It's all subjective. I think the Mk1 TT is a bit dull to look at. I prefer the Z3, TT Mk2 and SLK Mk2. The interior design arguably beats anything else made at the time though.Nissan GTR is not.
I agree about the GTR it's chunky, tall and flat surfaces don't make a good looking car but it's not bad. It looks like what would happen if 'Range Rover' made a supercar using headlights from a Toyota Celica. I just think the basic shape is worse than many sportscars or coupes like the last Toyota Celica and Honda S2000. It's the details like the rear lights, diffuser, exhausts and wheels that are holding the design together. It also has real presence on the road as it's large, loud and very rare.
The R35 is not a very photogenic car. Every time I see a pic of one I wonder what all the fuss is about cause all I see is a slab sided mess, with an angular front and a round rear, meeting messily in the middle. The god awful standard wheels don't help either.
But then I see one in motion (either video or in the flesh) and it just looks right. It looks and sounds like something from Ridge Racer on the PS2. Great.
Not a design classic for me. That would have to be the R32 or R33.
But then I see one in motion (either video or in the flesh) and it just looks right. It looks and sounds like something from Ridge Racer on the PS2. Great.
Not a design classic for me. That would have to be the R32 or R33.
I think that people struggle with the aesthetics of the car if they dislike the technical aspects (not 'analogue', heavy, 4WD). It's harder to enjoy the design of the exterior if you already dislike the whole philosophy of its performance and the way it drives.
I personally love the look. Far better in the metal than it is in pictures. Not sure if its a 'classic', but its not far off. Will age well I suspect.
+1 for not loving the interior. Not rubbish, but not anywhere near the cars it's competing with performance-wise.
I personally love the look. Far better in the metal than it is in pictures. Not sure if its a 'classic', but its not far off. Will age well I suspect.
+1 for not loving the interior. Not rubbish, but not anywhere near the cars it's competing with performance-wise.
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