RE: Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: Driven

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: Driven

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ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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900T-R said:
... that begs the question 'how hard can a Mercedes be to live with'? We're not exactly talking Morgan/Caterham levels of discomfort, are we?

It just puzzles me... for the day to day stuff, just about any modern mainstream car is a perfectly pleasurable and refined place to be in, I don't feel there's any real differentiator there unless you're talking about cheap US stuff with dashboards and door panels made out of recycled bin liners... My virtual £100K would go to the car that feels the most special thanksverymuch...
Agreed, though "easier to live with" could mean any number of things. The back seats for example, storage space, ground clearance, width, mpg, consumables, all-round visibility, options like parking sensors,...
The MR2 is a perfectly comfortable car, but the complete lack of boot or storage space make it pretty hard to live with day to day.

Vacationboy

171 posts

113 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Define hard hehe First world problems!

ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Vacationboy said:
Define hard hehe First world problems!
Agreed, but it's a big compromise smile Not every misses appreciates having to have the luggage in the passenger footwell biggrin.

is1

188 posts

148 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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gregf40 said:
I've put my money where my mouth is and gone for the AMG instead.

911's (excluding GT2/3) just don't do it for me - even the Turbo to be honest.

The Mercedes (whilst slightly more expensive) looks infinitely better to me.

Mine's coming in red!

Wise choice. You'll end up getting the front of the AMG and the back of a 911 in one car - best of both worlds!

virgilio

420 posts

145 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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gregf40 said:
Luca Brasi said:
gregf40 said:
They can't be bought anymore.
Really, why is that? Porsche solved that problem a while ago I thought?
Yup - but they have sold out and aren't producing any more...until the RS that is.
Didn't know they were a limited edition (I thought the only limited editions were 996GT3mk1, 997GT3RS4.0 and 997GT2RS)? Are you sure the 991GT3 is already out of production?

krallicious

4,312 posts

205 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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virgilio said:
Didn't know they were a limited edition (I thought the only limited editions were 996GT3mk1, 997GT3RS4.0 and 997GT2RS)? Are you sure the 991GT3 is already out of production?
RHD UK slots have all been taken. You can still order a LHD in Europe though.

Adam B

27,244 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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articulatedj said:
Since the rear seats don't do a whole lot of good, I can't see why I wouldn't just go for the Cayman GTS.
?? I have a 911 and I can only make it work in a 1 car household because it has rear seats - my 8 year old daughter fits perfectly in the back (they are pretty usless for adults though)

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 19th November 11:20

hwajones

775 posts

181 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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What i'd buy...

andyc11

326 posts

132 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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As a current 997 GTS owner, the 991 GTS doesn't really do it for me. That's mainly because even though they're no longer available, I'd always feel a bit disappointed it wasn't a GT3 given the list price comparison (although a properly spec'd GT3 even at list is surely more than 10% of a GTS?)

I love my 997, but don't mind admitting I find the V8V a far better looking car and same applies to the F Type. Unless the GT3 drops in the used market, which is unlikely, the F Type and AMG GT begin to look quite compelling, particularly in a years time on the used market.

T1berious

2,259 posts

155 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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hwajones said:


What i'd buy...
Snap.... what a fabulous looking car... cloud9

WCZ

10,523 posts

194 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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the 997 gts is one of the best road cars i've ever driven

Charlie Foxtrot

3,043 posts

215 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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How long has Frankle been writing for PH and why was there no big announcement? He may not be the celebrity Harris is, but he's a damn fine writer.

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

214 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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gregf40 said:
Luca Brasi said:
gregf40 said:
They can't be bought anymore.
Really, why is that? Porsche solved that problem a while ago I thought?
Yup - but they have sold out and aren't producing any more...until the RS that is.
Which is equally irrelevant given that the dealer network already have more letters of intent on the RS than they are expecting cars. With names on the list since at least 2011 (if not earlier) : it is unlikely that anyone will be sourcing one from the UK who hasn't already got a place in the line. And it isn't even being unveiled until next year...

foxhounduk

491 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Great looks and GTS badge is usually perfection, but the pricing is all wrong.
The GT3 at £100k is just too appealing..

Wills2

22,804 posts

175 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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foxhounduk said:
Great looks and GTS badge is usually perfection, but the pricing is all wrong.
The GT3 at £100k is just too appealing..
BUT you cannot buy a new 991 GT3, they're not making anymore......

You can have one second hand for 40-50k more than the GTS

See what you've done Frankel.

British Beef

2,213 posts

165 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Wills2 said:
BUT you cannot buy a new 991 GT3, they're not making anymore......

You can have one second hand for 40-50k more than the GTS

See what you've done Frankel.
We established the GT3 is no longer available.
Point remains its list price was £100k (when you could buy) and the price of this is £91k.

I could not spend £91k on a car knowing that for less than 10% more I could have had a GT3 (a year ago when the order books were open).

Wills2

22,804 posts

175 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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British Beef said:
We established the GT3 is no longer available.
Point remains its list price was £100k (when you could buy) and the price of this is £91k.

I could not spend £91k on a car knowing that for less than 10% more I could have had a GT3 (a year ago when the order books were open).
By "we" I presume you mean I pointed it to you on the first page?

And people are still banging on about the price of a car you can't order anymore vs. the price of a car that wasn't available at the time you could.

With respect there is no point to your point, it makes no sense whatsoever and is in fact..... nuts

E65Ross

35,071 posts

212 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Wills2 said:
British Beef said:
We established the GT3 is no longer available.
Point remains its list price was £100k (when you could buy) and the price of this is £91k.

I could not spend £91k on a car knowing that for less than 10% more I could have had a GT3 (a year ago when the order books were open).
By "we" I presume you mean I pointed it to you on the first page?

And people are still banging on about the price of a car you can't order anymore vs. the price of a car that wasn't available at the time you could.

With respect there is no point to your point, it makes no sense whatsoever and is in fact..... nuts
Agreed!

J-P

4,350 posts

206 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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E65Ross said:
Wills2 said:
British Beef said:
We established the GT3 is no longer available.
Point remains its list price was £100k (when you could buy) and the price of this is £91k.

I could not spend £91k on a car knowing that for less than 10% more I could have had a GT3 (a year ago when the order books were open).
By "we" I presume you mean I pointed it to you on the first page?

And people are still banging on about the price of a car you can't order anymore vs. the price of a car that wasn't available at the time you could.

With respect there is no point to your point, it makes no sense whatsoever and is in fact..... nuts
Agreed!
Completely agree - I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom. GT3's aren't available anymore GTS's are. If they both had been available at the same time, then there'd be some merit to the argument but as this isn't the case - it's wildly delusional. Frankel's conclusion was odd - Basically saying "for the money I'd have a GT3" but as has already been pointed out on numerous occasions, you can't get a new one and a used one is significantly more expensive - £120k+

A far better conclusion would have been - I'd be tempted to wait and see what the GT4 brings.

Mezzanine

9,214 posts

219 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Andrew Frankel?

Excellent new addition to the staff smile