RE: Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: Driven

RE: Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: Driven

Tuesday 18th November 2014

Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: Driven

Just as the biggest threat to the 911 in years appears Porsche unleashes its new GTS version - funny that



Most of us like a good conspiracy theory and Porsche's decision to launch this new 911 GTSin the same US state and on the same day Mercedes chose to introduce the press to its vital, all-new AMG GT S would seem to provide one. Two manufacturers from the same German city launching GTS models 6,000 miles from home but 250 miles apart? Someone is having a laugh. Surely?

This isn't the GTS you were looking for. Move along.
This isn't the GTS you were looking for. Move along.
Porsche says no. Despite the clear temptation to use an interesting but hardly game changing new model like this GTS to torpedo the introduction of the greatest threat the 911 has faced since the launch of the Audi R8, Porsche insists its presence in California that day was entirely coincidental. Happily I was able to drive both and will provide a view as to their relative merits further down this page. But in the meantime...

What is a Porsche 911 GTS? It is a perfectly pleasant cruising machine, ideal for plying the Interstate with the wind in what's left of your hair and Radio KRAP blasting out American soft shlock classics; an easy, undemanding companion for days when you can't be bothered to try too hard.

Shock jock
Disappointed? Me too, though I'm not too sure what anyone should have expected from a four-wheel drive, two-pedal 911 GTS Cabriolet.

Greater than the sum of the parts, etc
Greater than the sum of the parts, etc
So let's apply some 911-grade less-is-more thinking and start again at the other end of the GTS scale, where you'll find a £91,098 rear drive, manual coupe and a more than £13,000 left in your bank over aforementioned cab.

You know the details - the 430hp engine that forms the Powerkit option on a Carrera S, the 20mm wider body from the Carrera 4, the standard PASM, centre-lock wheels, active engine mounts, Sport Chrono and various cosmetic addenda. Most can be optioned into a Carrera S but the Powerkit alone adds more to the price than the entire cost of trading up to a GTS. What cannot be bought is a bespoke damper iteration that has a fairly profound effect on the car's demeanour.

And, at first, not necessarily a good one. The most surprising thing about the old 997 GTS was that it rode so well, making it the best non-Motorsport 911 both to live with and to drive. This GTS is not like that: its ride is adequate but no more. But you'll forgive that at the first sign of a decent road.

Added branded spangle for cabin too
Added branded spangle for cabin too
Conspiracy theory
What it shares with the 997 GTS is that sneaking suspicion Porsche has done more to this car than it's letting on. It doesn't feel like the mildly tweaked S its spec purports to be. Although you don't gain much benefit from the extra power until you're north of 7,000rpm, the whole car feels sharper. The chassis is not just a touch more taut, it has an appetite for an apex I don't remember from a standard 991 at all. And it has grip, oodles of the stuff even on hideously twisting roads with variable surfaces and cambers. On the track it wants to be your new best friend - endlessly accommodating, unreasonably forgiving and pleasingly more neutral than lesser 911s. Add to these revelations the fact Porsche has reworked its manual gearbox so it is no longer the world's best advert for PDK. In fact I once more prefer my 911 with three pedals, which is how it should be.

Just coincidence launch held at same time as AMG
Just coincidence launch held at same time as AMG
So leaving such ephemera as convertible and four-wheel drive GTS variants to one side, how good is this car? As good as the previous? Not quite. That car expanded the 911's abilities in every direction while this one is simply better to drive. But it is still a fine car and a worthy addition to the range. Like other 991s, its character is also too indistinctly 911 unless you're driving really fast, but when you do you'll know this is a car of outstanding ability and considerable appeal.

But there's something else to consider, namely that for little more than Porsche charges to put a GTS engine into an S, you can turn your GTS into a GT3, and that is an entirely different proposition. If you want your 911 primarily as a driving machine, for goodness sake find the extra.

As for the AMG GT, the Porsche is easier to live, the Benz more thrilling to drive. As an only car the choice would be the 911 every time. As part of a stable it would be the Benz by a similarly emphatic margin.


PORSCHE 911 CARRERA GTS
Engine:
3,800cc flat-6
Transmission: 7-speed manual/7-speed dual-clutch auto (PDK), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 430@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 324@5,750rpm
0-62mph: 4.4 sec (4.0 sec)
Top speed: 190mph (189mph)
Weight: 1,425kg* (1,445kg)*
MPG: 29.7mpg (32.5mpg) (NEDC combined)
CO2: 223g/km (202g/km)
Price: £91,098 (Carrera 2 GTS, before options)
*Weight DIN unladen, EU +75kg; figures in brackets for PDK equipped car

Author
Discussion

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

171 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
GTS - a compelling package & special enough. 997's have retained decent residuals.

Edited by Mermaid on Tuesday 18th November 11:45

ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
Hmm, I do get that they are named in the same breath, but the 911 does retain it's "rear seats" that could persuade a lot of customers.

For me, it'll be the Merc or Jaguar every time. The 911 just doesn't do it visually any more, and it's almost as common as a Ford Focus for some reason. Also, I don't know about the options on the Jag or the Merc, but Porsche options get a bit silly!

It's no doubt a brilliant car, but if I were able to spend £100k on a car, it won't be a 911 anymore.

MyCC

337 posts

157 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
The Turbo and GT (excl GTS) 911 cars can hold their own in what they offer but the standard Carrera/S/C4S seem an expensive ownership proposition esp now that there are other cars that excite more.

Regards,

MyCC.

E65Ross

35,068 posts

212 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
That's an extremely interesting final paragraph....

soad

32,891 posts

176 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
Needs a few more badges on the rear. hehe

em177

3,131 posts

164 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
Black GTS Coupe, debadged for me please smokin

is1

188 posts

148 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
What's the point in having such a crisp wheel design and then painting them black!

m444ttb

3,160 posts

229 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
As an every day car that isn't a family wagon and has to do cruising and sitting in very slow traffic I reckon I'd go for a Carrera4 GTS with PDK box. As more of a toy I'd probably change to the manual box but not sure whether I'd go 2 or 4. Depends on whether i could have another manual, rwd toy i suppose!

British Beef

2,211 posts

165 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
Find an extra 10% and get the GT3... no brainer!!!

For less money I would have:
F type V8 R
or
the soon to be released Corvette Z06 - super car looks and go, manual box, bullet proof reliability (LHD only though!!)

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

171 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
British Beef said:
Find an extra 10% and get the GT3... no brainer!!!
GT3's have low mileage & many owners (more a toy) GTS - much higher mileage & fewer owners (more a finely honed tool). You could call the GTS the thinking man's GT3. smile

gregf40

1,114 posts

116 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
I've put my money where my mouth is and gone for the AMG instead.

911's (excluding GT2/3) just don't do it for me - even the Turbo to be honest.

The Mercedes (whilst slightly more expensive) looks infinitely better to me.

Mine's coming in red!


Wills2

22,802 posts

175 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
British Beef said:
Find an extra 10% and get the GT3... no brainer!!!
But they fail to point out you can't buy one new and the cars are going for 130-140k second hand.


articulatedj

102 posts

121 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
Since the rear seats don't do a whole lot of good, I can't see why I wouldn't just go for the Cayman GTS. Less horsepower, but also less weight. And more boot space.




British Beef

2,211 posts

165 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
Wills2 said:
British Beef said:
Find an extra 10% and get the GT3... no brainer!!!
But they fail to point out you can't buy one new and the cars are going for 130-140k second hand.
What is the waiting time / list to get a factory new GT3?

daveco

4,125 posts

207 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
I'm surprised BMW don't introduce some sort of 507 style competitor to go up against these two.


Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

171 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
daveco said:
I'm surprised BMW don't introduce some sort of 507 style competitor to go up against these two.

gregf40

1,114 posts

116 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
British Beef said:
Wills2 said:
British Beef said:
Find an extra 10% and get the GT3... no brainer!!!
But they fail to point out you can't buy one new and the cars are going for 130-140k second hand.
What is the waiting time / list to get a factory new GT3?
They can't be bought anymore.

gregf40

1,114 posts

116 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
articulatedj said:
Since the rear seats don't do a whole lot of good, I can't see why I wouldn't just go for the Cayman GTS. Less horsepower, but also less weight. And more boot space.
...you forgot to mention it looks better too.

Luca Brasi

885 posts

174 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
gregf40 said:
They can't be bought anymore.
Really, why is that? Porsche solved that problem a while ago I thought?

Wills2

22,802 posts

175 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
quotequote all
gregf40 said:
British Beef said:
Wills2 said:
British Beef said:
Find an extra 10% and get the GT3... no brainer!!!
But they fail to point out you can't buy one new and the cars are going for 130-140k second hand.
What is the waiting time / list to get a factory new GT3?
They can't be bought anymore.
Exactly, you'd have thought the author would have realised this...so for 45-50% more than the GTS you can get a second hand GT3.